Darren, Darren Cook: <[email protected]>: >> 9x9 tournament had 10 participants, and Zen won. >> >> 1st Zen 8 -1 > >Congratulations to Zen on a clean sweep of the go tournaments!
Thanks. >I'm sure feeling vindicated is one of the baser emotions, but I feel it >anyway: I remember 10 or so years ago (*) people telling me 9x9 was a >dull game, not worthy of research effort, and I was saying, no, there is >a lot of depth here. Now most Japanese professionals know 9x9 is still a huge space to explorer, I strongly believe. >And I claim there is still a lot of depth left to study. I notice Zen >lost a game. When I spoke with Hideki Kato (who also shares my >excitement at the remaining challenge of 9x9) about the loss he said it >was a bug or difficult position, as Zen's evaluation went from >90-something to 0 in the space of a move. I'll study what caused this later. >Yet this imperfect Zen beat everyone else. And this was played with a >komi of 7, so what we should have been seeing is draws everywhere. Unfortunately, other strongest programs on 9x9 such as CrazyStone and Steenvreter didn't participate and no draws happened. >Hideki also mentioned that most pros thought they could beat the strong >computer programs at 9x9. I think he was saying it is 19x19 they are >worried about, because it is too big and hard to play for humans. But on >9x9 they can read it out. [Hideki, please correct me if I'm mis-quoting >you or the pros there.] Hirofumi Ohashi 6p told me after the 6 wins in a row on 9x9 last year that all professionals can read-out (not from the beggining, of course :-) on 9x9 and should have advantages against stochastic programs. I was pretty impressed. Current MC Go programs have some errors of (at least) a few percent on L&D, ie, a dead group lives in some percent of the simulations. Can we make it zero in MC framework or we need some other devices? Hideki >Darren > >*: I remember 15+ years ago telling someone I thought I could *solve* >9x9 with a year of concerted effort (but unfortunately I was busy with >19x19). Ah, the arrogance of youth :-) > >_______________________________________________ >Computer-go mailing list >[email protected] >http://dvandva.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/computer-go -- Hideki Kato <mailto:[email protected]> _______________________________________________ Computer-go mailing list [email protected] http://dvandva.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
