On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 1:12 PM, David Doshay <[email protected]> wrote:
> I took my program and a small cluster to run it to the Cotsen Open in Los > Angeles > several times. There was even a specific prize for the highest placing > program. > Enjoy it while it lasts! At some point when computers become contenders the humans will start to resent them being at their tournaments. I cannot blame them, but I can see it happening. However, I think go players have a somewhat different mentality than chess players and more yielding. Perhaps because chess is more of western game and western culture is more violent and confrontational. > > Cheers, > David > > > > On 9, Aug 2011, at 9:21 AM, steve uurtamo wrote: > > > neat! is this regularly exercised? :) > > > > s. > > > > On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 8:47 AM, David Fotland <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> > >> More from the 1988 AGA tournament rules... > >> > >> D. Classes of computer participation. > >> > >> There shall be three types of tournament with respect to participation > by > >> computer programs. > >> 1. Humans only -- no computer programs may compete. This fact must > appear > >> clearly on all pre-tournament announcements. > >> 2. Human right to refuse computer program as opponent. > >> > >> a. The right to refuse to compete against a computer program must be > >> exercised globally, at the time of registration. > >> b. The player may play the program if the alternative is a bye. However, > in > >> this case the computer is a competitor, and both will be scored > accordingly. > >> > >> > >> 3. Open - no right to refuse any opponent. > >> a. Computer programs are entered as any other player, and have the same > >> rights as any other plaer. Such rights will be asserted and exercised by > the > >> owner of the program. > >> b. Tournament announcements must clearly state the conditions. > >> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: [email protected] [mailto:computer-go- > >>> [email protected]] On Behalf Of steve uurtamo > >>> Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 6:21 AM > >>> To: [email protected] > >>> Subject: Re: [Computer-go] KGS highest rank Bot > >>> > >>> kgs recently had a tournament where bots were allowed to play -- it > >>> was on nonstandard-sized boards, and zen did fantastically well, > >>> taking second place in the 21x21 tournament, in both american/european > >>> and asian/european divisions. > >>> > >>> there are also a stable of people throwing themselves at zen in the > >>> "computer go" room on kgs, solidifying its rank at 5d (as it slowly > >>> creeps toward 6d). (to be clear, this is the version playing at > >>> roughly (15s?/move), which in my experience is at-speed or slower than > >>> most non-tournament play happens in practice without a clock, so > >>> totally fair for humans to play at). so even if it can't play in human > >>> tournaments, everyone knows that it is at least as strong as the > >>> strongest 5d's on KGS. > >>> > >>> i think that it'd be great if bots could play in the 19x19 tournaments > >>> on kgs. that is a far cry from playing as an actual player over the > >>> board on a regular basis at regular tournaments. does anyone have an > >>> example of *any* game that existed before computers where computers > >>> have been accepted/allowed to play as a regular practice (instead of > >>> as a highly debated issue?). > >>> > >>> s. > >>> > >>> On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 6:06 AM, Jouni Valkonen > >>> <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>> Ingo wrote: >The ranks you mention are from KGS. Is there something > >>> like a > >>>> KGS World Championship, let it be with or without prize money? > >>> Winning such > >>>> an online championship might be easier for a bot then winning "over > >>> the > >>>> board".> > >>>> > >>>> Is it allowed for gobots to participate to online Kgs tournaments? It > >>> would > >>>> very nice if they could. I think that there should be 2-4 places open > >>> for > >>>> gobots, because computer go is such an important aspect of go. > >>>> > >>>> Chessbots could participate into some offline tournaments until they > >>> were > >>>> too strong to play with humans. This is the best way to observe the > >>>> development of gobots. > >>>> > >>>> -Jouni > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Computer-go mailing list > >>>> [email protected] > >>>> http://dvandva.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/computer-go > >>>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Computer-go mailing list > >>> [email protected] > >>> http://dvandva.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/computer-go > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Computer-go mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> http://dvandva.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/computer-go > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > Computer-go mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://dvandva.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/computer-go > > _______________________________________________ > Computer-go mailing list > [email protected] > http://dvandva.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/computer-go >
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