Hello Thomas, hello Robert, I see what yoou mean. My situation is, however, somewhat special. (1) I am not a programmer. (2) I want to use commercialy available go bots in human+computer teams.
So, I want to learn how to read the information these bots give during their analysis. And one of the (more detailed) questions was/is, how to read upcoming Seki (and how often Seki occurs at all). Of course, I am aware that Seki is one of the possible outcomes of a semeai. Look into the following diagrams. They are from the Aya-vs-Zen game on 13x13 from the KGS bot tournament in August 2015. http://althofer.de/seki-sequence.html Knowing the outcome of the game, it is rather straightforward to interpret the histograms. What I need (in the future) is to understand the development of the fight during the running game. Thanks again for making the whole complex more clear for me. Cheers, Ingo. > Gesendet: Montag, 18. Januar 2016 um 15:18 Uhr > Von: "Thomas Wolf" <tw...@brocku.ca> > An: computer-go@computer-go.org > Betreff: Re: [Computer-go] Seki frequencies > > > > On Mon, 18 Jan 2016, "Ingo Althöfer" wrote: > > > Thanks to Robert, Thomas , and Nick for their contributions. > > > > My main motivation for thinking about Seki was/is the question > > if it is possible to recognize upcoming Seki situations in the > > histograms of an MCTS bot (for instance in Crazy Analysis). > > No. You need to be able to compute semeai efficiently. Seki is one possible > outcome. > > Thomas > > > An interesting game is between Aya (White) and Zen (Black) from > > round 15 of the 13x13 KGS bot tournament back in August 2015: > > http://www.gokgs.com/tournGames.jsp?id=984&round=15 > > > > Ingo. > > > > > > > > Gesendet: Sonntag, 17. Januar 2016 um 19:06 Uhr > > Von: "Nick Wedd" <mapr...@gmail.com> > > An: computer-go@computer-go.org > > Betreff: Re: [Computer-go] Seki frequencies > > > > There are some exotic sekis on this page by Denis Feldman: > > http://denisfeldmann.fr/bestiary3.htm#p2 > > > > Nick > > > > On 17 January 2016 at 16:04, Thomas Wolf <tw...@brocku.ca[tw...@brocku.ca]> > > wrote:Hi, > > > > On Sun, 17 Jan 2016, "Ingo Althöfer" wrote: > > Hi Robert, > > > > thanks for the whole bunch of very intersting information. > > Seki has AT LEAST two groups.... > > Sekis can have various different shapes ... > > ... stable anti-sekis (stable because other anti-sekis exist elsewhere on > > the board). > > Can you give an example for anti-seki? > > Listing the possible configurations is a demanding open research field. > > Perhaps you and someone like Thomas Wolf (with his life-and-dath > > background) would be "the right" people for this question. > > > > > > I have an (unpublished) talk about sekis online: > > http://lie.math.brocku.ca/twolf/papers/sekitalk2.pdf[http://lie.math.brocku.ca/twolf/papers/sekitalk2.pdf] > > > > I am grateful for any references about literatur on seki and any examples of > > strange, exotic seki. > > > > Thomas > > _______________________________________________ > > Computer-go mailing list > > Computer-go@computer-go.org[Computer-go@computer-go.org] > > http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go > > -- > > Nick Wedd > > mapr...@gmail.com[mapr...@gmail.com]_______________________________________________ > > Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org > > http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go[http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go] > > _______________________________________________ > > Computer-go mailing list > > Computer-go@computer-go.org > > http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go_______________________________________________ > Computer-go mailing list > Computer-go@computer-go.org > http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go _______________________________________________ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
