(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Chinese]SZ[19]KM[7.50]TM[900]OT[10x30 byo-yomi]
PW[zife]PB[darkfores1]BR[1k]DT[2015-11-24]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]C[darkfores1 [1k\]: GTP Engine for darkfores1 (black): darkForest version 1.1
]RE[W+28.50]
;B[pp]BL[898.19]
;W[nq]WL[898.515]
;B[qn]BL[897.199]
;W[cp]WL[894.005]
;B[pc]BL[896.282]
;W[pe]WL[891.775]
;B[qe]BL[895.256]
;W[qf]WL[889.99]
;B[qd]BL[894.178]
;W[dc]WL[885.475]
;B[ep]BL[893.213]
;W[gq]WL[880.855]
;B[cq]BL[892.139]
;W[cm]WL[873.295]
;B[dp]BL[890.886]
;W[bp]WL[870.809]
;B[er]BL[889.849]
;W[jq]WL[867.149]
;B[bq]BL[888.794]
;W[cj]WL[865.347]
;B[lq]BL[887.894]
;W[lr]WL[853.982]
;B[kr]BL[886.829]
;W[kq]WL[847.99]
;B[mr]BL[885.751]
;W[lp]WL[846.434]
;B[mq]BL[884.769]
;W[mp]WL[845.486]
;B[np]BL[883.863]
;W[nr]WL[834.736]
;B[ls]BL[882.934]
;W[qq]WL[822.404]
;B[no]BL[881.919]
;W[jr]WL[775.685]
;B[or]BL[881.026]
;W[oq]WL[772.306]
;B[pq]BL[880.048]
;W[pr]WL[771.564]
;B[qr]BL[879.003]
;W[os]WL[770.6]
;B[rq]BL[878.071]
;W[ns]WL[767.451]
;B[ms]BL[877.035]
;W[op]WL[753.403]
;B[oo]BL[875.966]
;W[qp]WL[750.886]
;B[po]BL[874.982]
;W[rr]WL[749.645]
;B[rp]BL[874.038]
;W[qs]WL[748.67]
;B[kp]BL[873.014]
;W[ko]WL[722.678]
;B[jp]BL[872.071]
;W[ip]WL[714.259]
;B[jo]BL[871.157]
;W[jn]WL[712.911]
;B[io]BL[870.23]
;W[ho]WL[712.225]
;B[in]BL[869.27]
;W[im]WL[711.599]
;B[hn]BL[868.306]
;W[gn]WL[710.969]C[gogonuts [3d\]: missing ladder analysis :-)
]
;B[hm]BL[867.261]
;W[hl]WL[710.349]
;B[gm]BL[866.201]
;W[fm]WL[705.486]
;B[gl]BL[865.136]
;W[gk]WL[704.51]C[gghideki [?\]: :)
]
;B[fl]BL[864.11]
;W[el]WL[703.881]
;B[fk]BL[863.099]
;W[fj]WL[703.297]
;B[ek]BL[862.19]
;W[dk]WL[702.7]
;B[ej]BL[861.268]
;W[ei]WL[702.118]
;B[lo]BL[860.11]
;W[dj]WL[700.771]
;B[mo]BL[858.964]
;W[kp]WL[699.754]
;B[pf]BL[858.047]
;W[qg]WL[697.608]
;B[of]BL[857.053]
;W[qj]WL[696.695]
;B[rk]BL[855.823]
;W[qk]WL[692.534]
;B[rl]BL[854.877]
;W[oh]WL[683.643]
;B[rj]BL[853.767]
;W[jd]WL[672.161]
;B[mg]BL[852.872]
;W[mi]WL[670.482]
;B[kg]BL[851.909]C[gogonuts [3d\]: pure nn?
]
;W[if]WL[659.39]
;B[cc]BL[850.873]
;W[cd]WL[657.428]
;B[dd]BL[849.936]
;W[db]WL[652.598]
;B[ce]BL[849.04]
;W[bd]WL[651.823]C[gghideki [?\]: According to the paper, yes
]
;B[ed]BL[848.069]
;W[be]WL[647.881]
;B[hd]BL[847.002]C[gghideki [?\]: no mcts
]
;W[ic]WL[633.752]C[gogonuts [3d\]: the ladder makes that believable
]
;B[hc]BL[845.936]C[gghideki [?\]: yes
]
;W[fc]WL[621.712]
;B[fd]BL[845.013]C[zife [-\]: zzz
]
;W[fb]WL[613.809]
;B[hf]BL[842.571]
;W[jg]WL[607.998]
;B[hg]BL[841.472]
;W[kf]WL[604.384]
;B[cf]BL[840.568]
;W[ef]WL[601.46]
;B[ff]BL[839.56]
;W[eg]WL[595.699]
;B[ee]BL[838.632]
;W[ge]WL[591.874]
;B[id]BL[837.549]
;W[jc]WL[589.365]
;B[fg]BL[836.563]
;W[fh]WL[578.67]
;B[bf]BL[835.536]
;W[bc]WL[577.487]
;B[bi]BL[834.502]
;W[ch]WL[571.657]
;B[bh]BL[833.533]
;W[cg]WL[568.336]
;B[bg]BL[832.479]
;W[bj]WL[567.483]
;B[ai]BL[831.503]C[gogonuts [3d\]: does look like it should make a nice move generator for mcts
]
;W[mc]WL[551.452]
;B[md]BL[830.613]
;W[nc]WL[546.454]
;B[nd]BL[829.752]C[gghideki [?\]: yes but pretty slow
]
;W[oc]WL[538.271]
;B[od]BL[828.744]
;W[ld]WL[533.367]
;B[le]BL[827.794]C[gogonuts [3d\]: ah ok
]
;W[lc]WL[530.811]
;B[oj]BL[824.55]
;W[ol]WL[516.151]
;B[mj]BL[823.559]
;W[mh]WL[508.566]C[gogonuts [3d\]: i thought only the training was very expensive
]
;B[pi]BL[822.592]
;W[qi]WL[500.524]
;B[ph]BL[821.614]
;W[pg]WL[499.075]
;B[og]BL[820.728]
;W[oi]WL[496.779]
;B[pj]BL[817.496]
;W[lj]WL[489.056]
;B[mk]BL[816.438]
;W[lk]WL[488.37]
;B[ml]BL[815.433]
;W[ll]WL[486.861]
;B[lm]BL[814.495]
;W[kh]WL[481.14]
;B[lg]BL[813.448]
;W[km]WL[479.508]
;B[mm]BL[809.818]
;W[fr]WL[465.928]
;B[fq]BL[808.813]
;W[gr]WL[461.762]
;B[ap]BL[807.912]C[gogonuts [3d\]: do you think it would be fast enough to use it as move genrator in the tree?
]
;W[bn]WL[459.104]
;B[do]BL[807.008]
;W[ao]WL[454.244]
;B[aq]BL[805.851]C[gghideki [?\]: no
]
;W[es]WL[447.168]
;B[dr]BL[802.339]
;W[fp]WL[445.112]
;B[eq]BL[801.285]
;W[pb]WL[438.709]
;B[qb]BL[800.363]
;W[oa]WL[437.916]
;B[hb]BL[799.357]
;W[qa]WL[436.024]
;B[rb]BL[798.335]
;W[ra]WL[421.316]
;B[ih]BL[795.313]
;W[jh]WL[416.036]
;B[ii]BL[794.247]
;W[sb]WL[414.716]
;B[rc]BL[793.305]
;W[re]WL[412.369]C[gogonuts [3d\]: and just 2 half-moves? :-)
]
;B[rd]BL[792.319]
;W[lf]WL[407.076]
;B[mf]BL[791.39]
;W[ke]WL[406.259]
;B[ka]BL[788.452]
;W[kb]WL[403.042]
;B[ja]BL[787.465]
;W[me]WL[402.212]
;B[ne]BL[786.551]
;W[sq]WL[391.558]
;B[qo]BL[785.646]
;W[qr]WL[389.304]
;B[ro]BL[784.759]
;W[la]WL[376.432]
;B[ha]BL[781.71]
;W[nj]WL[353.91]
;B[nk]BL[780.821]
;W[ni]WL[353.303]
;B[ok]BL[779.874]C[gghideki [?\]: Throughput is ok but latency is...
]
;W[jb]WL[337.297]
;B[ia]BL[778.91]
;W[jj]WL[331.429]
;B[ij]BL[778.018]C[gghideki [?\]: due to many layers 
]
;W[ik]WL[330.798]
;B[aj]BL[775.148]
;W[ak]WL[326.181]
;B[cn]BL[774.243]
;W[bo]WL[310.816]
;B[dm]BL[773.233]
;W[cl]WL[303.421]
;B[fo]BL[772.162]
;W[gp]WL[299.611]
;B[fn]BL[771.263]C[gogonuts [3d\]: maybe something for graphical processors?
]
;W[em]WL[278.476]
;B[en]BL[768.588]
;W[ng]WL[269.558]
;B[nf]BL[767.507]
;W[hj]WL[252.032]
;B[gh]BL[766.531]
;W[gi]WL[248.663]
;B[df]BL[765.355]
;W[dg]WL[241.349]
;B[ci]BL[764.42]C[gogonuts [3d\]: but I'm just poking in the dark(forrest)
]
;W[di]WL[239.819]
;B[ds]BL[762.043]C[gghideki [?\]: hehe
]
;W[ie]WL[222.254]C[gghideki [?\]: some special hardware will be
]
;B[he]BL[761.12]
;W[gc]WL[221.564]
;B[gd]BL[759.995]
;W[fs]WL[219.304]
;B[fa]BL[759.097]
;W[ea]WL[216.537]
;B[ec]BL[758.155]
;W[eb]WL[213.029]
;B[gb]BL[755.852]
;W[cb]WL[209.565]
;B[sp]BL[754.965]
;W[sr]WL[207.579]
;B[lh]BL[754.032]
;W[li]WL[206.127]
;B[ji]BL[753.097]
;W[ki]WL[203.347]
;B[ae]BL[752.091]
;W[ad]WL[199.108]
;B[af]BL[749.944]
;W[ig]WL[197.526]
;B[hh]BL[748.72]
;W[ln]WL[190.828]
;B[mn]BL[747.783]
;W[dl]WL[184.339]
;B[dn]BL[746.649]
;W[bm]WL[171.537]
;B[sc]BL[745.629]
;W[pa]WL[167.435]
;B[sa]BL[743.601]C[gogonuts [3d\]: even an excellent move generator still wont solve all current main problems though 
]
;W[ga]WL[161.503]
;B[sb]BL[741.905]
;W[fa]WL[160.39]
;B[kn]BL[740.768]
;W[nh]WL[159.412]
;B[ln]BL[739.752]
;W[hi]WL[157.791]
;B[go]BL[738.733]
;W[co]WL[154.769]
;B[le]BL[736.902]
;W[pd]WL[146.245]
;B[oe]BL[736.026]
;W[me]WL[145.553]
;B[kl]BL[735.143]
;W[jm]WL[142.411]
;B[le]BL[734.233]
;W[pd]WL[141.607]
;B[pe]BL[732.617]
;W[me]WL[140.97]
;B[hn]BL[730.719]
;W[gm]WL[138.943]
;B[le]BL[729.699]
;W[ib]WL[121.955]
;B[hp]BL[728.773]
;W[hq]WL[115.097]
;B[me]BL[727.814]
;W[]WL[115.095]
;B[]BL[727.813]TW[aa][ba][ca][da][ma][na][ab][bb][lb][mb][nb][ob][ac][cc][kc][kd][je][jf][dh][eh][fi][ej][gj][kj][bk][ck][ek][fk][hk][jk][kk][al][bl][fl][gl][il][jl][kl][am][hm][an][hn][in][io][jo][hp][jp][iq][lq][mq][hr][ir][kr][lr][mr][or][gs][hs][is][js][ks][ls][ms][ps][rs][ss]TB[qc][pd][sd][de][fe][ge][re][se][gf][qf][rf][sf][ag][gg][pg][qg][rg][sg][ah][qh][rh][sh][qi][ri][si][qj][sj][pk][qk][sk][nl][ol][pl][ql][sl][nm][om][pm][qm][rm][sm][nn][on][pn][rn][sn][eo][so][dq][ar][br][cr][as][bs][cs]C[gogonuts [3d\]: can a move generator do more than play good shape?
gogonuts [3d\]: how would it distinguish important and unimportant, i ask myself
gghideki [?\]: yah, most defficult one is to merge top-down analysis of complex positions
gghideki [?\]: no
gghideki [?\]: and no
gogonuts [3d\]: lol
gogonuts [3d\]: thx
gghideki [?\]: np
])
