Ian Osgood wrote:
On Oct 11, 2007, at 11:01 AM, Rémi Coulom wrote:
In case nobody noticed, Crazy Stone won a match against KCC Igo this
summer, with 15 wins and 4 losses. The match was organized by Hiroshi
Yamashita. The games can be found in the KGS archives.
http://www.gokgs.com/gameArchives.jsp?user=kccongui&year=2007&month=7
Rémi
Are you certain of the result? Two of the games I examined have scores
that don't take into account removal of dead stones. (W+66.5 should
be B+20, and W+48.5 looks like a 1 pt game.) This makes me wonder if
some of the other losses and unfinished games (by score or time) are
actually wins for KCC Igo on the board. I would certainly like to see
the twenty games of this match validated, corrected, commented, and
preserved for posterity.
If this is valid, it is quite an achievement! I've updated my own
ranking estimates accordingly:
http://senseis.xmp.net/?GoPlayingPrograms%2FDiscussion#toc8
Ian
This match was played through a system by Hiroshi Yamashita that
automatically reads the screen and sends mouse events, so that any GUI
program can be connected to GTP. This system seems to be not 100%
reliable, and does not handle any scoring protocol.
This is quoted from a mail by Hiroshi Yamashita to me after the match:
"
KCC and Crazy Stone played 20 games.
I listed as follows.
Crazy Stone has 14 wins and 5 losses.
One games stopped halfway, so I don't count this.
And I counted these two games to KCC win.
It failed to recognize stones. 323th black move was not real move.
1 http://files.gokgs.com/games/2007/7/22/CrazyStone-KCConGUI-6.sgf
KCC lost on time. But I think if KCC had time control, KCC could win.
211th move was K-2. (it did not play)
1 http://files.gokgs.com/games/2007/7/22/CrazyStone-KCConGUI-5.sgf
0 http://files.gokgs.com/games/2007/7/22/CrazyStone-KCConGUI-10.sgf
? http://files.gokgs.com/games/2007/7/22/CrazyStone-KCConGUI-9.sgf
0 http://files.gokgs.com/games/2007/7/22/CrazyStone-KCConGUI-8.sgf
1 http://files.gokgs.com/games/2007/7/22/KCConGUI-CrazyStone-2.sgf
0 http://files.gokgs.com/games/2007/7/22/KCConGUI-CrazyStone.sgf
0 http://files.gokgs.com/games/2007/7/22/CrazyStone-KCConGUI-7.sgf
1 http://files.gokgs.com/games/2007/7/22/CrazyStone-KCConGUI-6.sgf
1 http://files.gokgs.com/games/2007/7/22/CrazyStone-KCConGUI-5.sgf
0 http://files.gokgs.com/games/2007/7/22/CrazyStone-KCConGUI-4.sgf
0 http://files.gokgs.com/games/2007/7/22/CrazyStone-KCConGUI-3.sgf
0 http://files.gokgs.com/games/2007/7/22/CrazyStone-KCConGUI-2.sgf
0 http://files.gokgs.com/games/2007/7/22/CrazyStone-KCConGUI.sgf
0 http://files.gokgs.com/games/2007/7/21/KCConGUI-CrazyStone-6.sgf
0 http://files.gokgs.com/games/2007/7/21/CrazyStone-KCConGUI-2.sgf
0 http://files.gokgs.com/games/2007/7/21/KCConGUI-CrazyStone-4.sgf
0 http://files.gokgs.com/games/2007/7/21/KCConGUI-CrazyStone-3.sgf
0 http://files.gokgs.com/games/2007/7/21/KCConGUI-CrazyStone-2.sgf
1 http://files.gokgs.com/games/2007/7/21/CrazyStone-KCConGUI.sgf
0 http://files.gokgs.com/games/2007/7/21/KCConGUI-CrazyStone.sgf
1 http://files.gokgs.com/games/2007/7/18/CrazyStone-KCConGUI.sgf
5-14
I also attached Gnugo vs KCC result.
GnuGo is 3.7.10.
Ginsei Igo 7 is a latest version of KCC (Dec 2006)
Ginsei Igo 5 is 2004 version of KCC.
Ginsei Igo 7 is a same version that played against Crazy Stone.
wins losses wining rate average score
GnuGo (Level 10) - Ginsei Igo 7, 37 142 0.21 -31.6 points
GnuGo (Level 10) - Ginsei Igo 5, 11 55 0.17 -31.3
GnuGo (Level 16) - Ginsei Igo 5, 26 75 0.26 -22.9
"
Rémi
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