think poker is more difficult than Go and of course chess.
I have only studied poker AI basics and coded game rules, learned play
slightly winning net poker.
But however dare to say my opinion that I totally disagree. Sounds like
somekind of poker hype that
it is as tough problem than Go game AI 19*19 table. It is offcourse very
complex interaction problem but
my opinion is that it is still lot of easier problem.
It is maybe even possible that it can't be proven and that theory you are
right, because poker can be iterated forever and
that in theory propably there is _no_ best strategy. I see it very
same/similar thing than in super simple iterated prisoners dilemma problem.
There just is no best strategy, any strategy has some other dominating
strategy, so I have understanded it.
But there is very good strategies, every bet when you but your money in
table you play even stronger(bluff), play normally or slow play present
weaker hand than you actually have. That thing iterated, remembering what
opponents have done earlier (like in prisoners dilemma) it is tough problem,
but saying it harder than go game is not true at least in practise.
In practise I see it so that computers have advantage in poker other things
than this complex interaction, where advantage is in humans. As computers
can actually calculate odds and propabilities exactly, that advantage is
maybe slight, but something which similar don't exist in go-game.
But yep just started poker AI in my project
http://sourceforge.net/projects/narugo, coded there SimpleActionGenerator,
in estimated couple years work it is gonna plays better poker than starter
player :|
So imho if somebody states that poker is harder AI problem than go-game, it
sounds poker hype.
t. Harri
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From: "chrilly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "computer-go" <computer-go@computer-go.org>
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 10:32 AM
Subject: Re: [computer-go] U. of Alberta bots vs. the Poker pros
This is a remarkable result. I think poker is more difficult than Go and
of course chess. My hypothesis (its just a hypothesis) for the success is.
There is someone - Dave Billings - who worked for many years very
consequently on the topic. And he is able to motivate a lot of other good
people to go along with him. And he gets probably also a lot of support
from his boss, J.Schaeffer. And of course, there is some prospect to win
fame and money.
The conditions for solving a problem are always at least as important than
the problem itself. Maybe are the conditions in Poker better than in Go.
As said above, I think the problem is in Poker harder. They have of course
not solved the whole problem. Heads-Up limit Hold'Em is the - for
computers - easiest game. But its nevertheless remarkable that they are
on-par with the Poker-GMs.
Chrilly
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Subject: [computer-go] U. of Alberta bots vs. the Poker pros
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