On 31-dec-06, at 15:34, David Fotland wrote:

A strong chinese player using chinese rules will pick up a point or two during the dame filling stage when playing a strong japanese player. The Chiense player will choose earlier moves that gain a later dame point that
the japanese player will think have no benefit over other moves.

I'm rather late to the discussion, having been on vacation, but the above seems strange. Choosing a move that will gain a later dame point is equivalent to making a point. Therefore by definition the move the chinese player made was not a dame point.

As long as both players fill in dame, the Chinese player will never gain a point. The only case where I've seen strong Chinese players gain a point very late in the game against other strong players is by winning the last half-point ko but instead of filling it he fills another dame-point. Provided he has many more ko-threats so he can wait filling the ko until all dame are filled he gains either zero or two points (depending on whether the number of remaining dame was even or uneven.).

Mark

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