Le lundi 1 janvier 2007 13:14, Chrilly a écrit : > > For testing Suzie on 9x9 we (Peter Woitke and Chrilly) use Gnu-Go Level > > 16. > > Is there something stronger around /available? > > Yes there is cgos 9X9 ;) > > I am used to another development method. I watch the engine-engine-matches > and I change the programm when I see a move which really hurts. I trust more > my feelings than statistics.
Having various opponents is the best way for improvement. The game http://files.gokgs.com/games/2006/12/20/botnoid-SimpleBot.sgf shows very different style of programs, and our beloved GNU Go is no more clever than these ones (even if it is stronger). It has its own style, with awfull weaknesses, and the more i know/understand how it works, the more i am surprised that it is ranked 6k on kgs. By playing only GNU Go you ll probably learn how to punish its weakness, but not make your program better. I believe Sluggo is an extreme example of this, it is by design especially strong against GNU http://files.gokgs.com/games/2006/12/20/GNU-slugGo.sgf but it is not clear that it is stronger against other opponents: Mogobot19 nicely beated SlugGo who made very bad mistakes that GNU would have never done (lower right and top left in the beginning of the game) http://files.gokgs.com/games/2006/12/21/MoGoBot19-slugGo.sgf But GNU seems significantly stronger than Mogo19 (rated 2k higher on kgs) http://files.gokgs.com/games/2006/12/18/MoGoBot19-GNU.sgf CGOS has the additional advantage that if you lose against a much weaker opponent, you probably have stepped on a bug [...] > In server matches this kind of information is usually lost. One can write > the traces into a file, but practically one never checks it in the same way > than when sitting infront of the screen and seeing it "live". The immediate > pain is not there. Avoiding this pain is in my experience the most important > factor/stimulus for improving a programm. Kgs tournaments are a great moment of fun and pain :-) > > To generate this pain one needs a slightly stronger opponent. The pain-level > of Gnu-Go is for Suzie on 9x9 already too low. Ok, crazystone 9X9 is available for download at Remi's page, but i see no license, so i suppose using it for testing is ok. Some other programs are freely available for 9X9 (not sure they have gtp) Alain _______________________________________________ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
