Regarding approaches to cleaning up the Wiki content--how about an approach similar to the Spark cwiki:
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/SPARK/Wiki+Homepage My take is that the Hadoop product docs on hadoop.apache.org generally target (or should target) the audiences described in 1-4 below, while the Wiki is (should be) primarily for audience #5 or "Hadoop staff"--internal Hadoop development, product management, QA, etc. Definitely current Wiki content such as "Overview of Hadoop" and the link to "Single Node Hadoop Cluster" installation is redundant, unnecessary doc maintenance, and annoying to come across as a user because one must assess its value relative to the same/similar content in the product doc on hadoop.apache.org. BTW, I did some random testing of ASF project wikis hosted on cwiki.apache.org, and the pages for those sites definitely load much, much faster than ASF wiki pages using MoinMoin. Best, Martin On Wed, Jul 27, 2016 at 10:29 AM, Ray Chiang <rchi...@apache.org> wrote: > Good to know. It's certainly easier to set up an alternate location in > any case and then do a wholesale migration. It saves from having that > "under construction" look before it's complete. > > I'll get on the appropriate infra@ list and ask about recommendations. > > -Ray > > > On 7/26/16 10:49 PM, Andrew Wang wrote: > >> Hi Ray, if you're going to do a wiki cleanup, fair warning that I filed >> this INFRA JIRA about the wiki being terribly slow, and they closed it as >> WONTFIX: >> >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-12283 >> >> So if you'd actually like to undertake a wiki cleanup, we should also >> consider migrating the content to a wiki that isn't terribly slow. >> >> I think cwiki.apache.org is better, but maybe we should ask infra what >> the >> preferred option is here. They might be able to help with a content >> migration too. >> >> On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 3:27 PM, Ray Chiang <rchi...@apache.org> wrote: >> >> Coming in late to an old thread. >>> >>> I was looking around at the Hadoop documentation (hadoop.apache.org and >>> wiki.apache.org/hadoop) and I'd sum up the current state of the >>> documentation as follows: >>> >>> 1. hadoop.apache.org is pretty clearly full of technical information. >>> My only minor nit here is that the wiki pointer and the Git pointer >>> at the top is really tiny. >>> 2. wiki.apache.org is simultaneously targeted to at least four audiences >>> 1. Industry Users (broadest sense of Big Data Industry) >>> 2. Industry Developers (mostly those adding a layer like Hive does >>> to MapReduce) >>> 3. Hadoop Users (those who just want to set up a small cluster) >>> 4. Hadoop Developers (e.g. using MapReduce APIs) >>> 5. Hadoop Internal Developers (eventual contributors) >>> >>> I'd like to initiate some cleanup of the wiki, but before I even start, >>> I'd like to see if anyone has constructive suggestions or other >>> approaches >>> that would make this transition smoother. >>> >>> 1. Some sections, like Industry Users and Industry Developers is >>> growing so fast, I'm not sure whether it's worth maintaining in any >>> meaningful format. I'd be inclined to make suggestions on where to >>> start and let Google take them forward from there. >>> 2. Organize the developer section based on the pieces a new reader >>> wants to learn (new to everything, new to Hadoop, all the tools for >>> Hadoop development, "just check out code and go", etc). >>> 3. Organize the Users section a bit more. The "Setting up a Hadoop >>> Cluster" is grouped well, but I'd perhaps rearrange the ordering a >>> bit. >>> >>> -Ray >>> >>> >>> On 7/14/16 3:49 PM, Andrew Wang wrote: >>> >>> I think we should try to keep ownership over the #hadoop channel (do we >>>> have ownership?) but make it clear on the website and in the channel >>>> greeting that this is for user-on-user discussion, and it's not actively >>>> monitored by developers. >>>> >>>> On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 3:37 PM, Akira AJISAKA < >>>> ajisa...@oss.nttdata.co.jp> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> I'm not using the IRC channel (#hadoop at irc.freenode.net.) >>>> >>>>> I'm using slack (hadoopdev.slack.com) instead. >>>>> >>>>> -Akira >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 7/14/16 14:48, Ravi Prakash wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I've never gone there either. +1 for retiring. >>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 11:34 PM, J. Rottinghuis < >>>>>> jrottingh...@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Uhm, there is an IRC channel?!? >>>>>> >>>>>> Joep >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 3:13 PM, Sangjin Lee <sj...@apache.org> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I seldom check out IRC (as my experience was the same). I'm OK with >>>>>>> >>>>>>> retiring it if no committers are around. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On a related note, I know Tsuyoshi set up a slack channel for the >>>>>>>> committers. Even that one is pretty idle. :) Should we use it more >>>>>>>> often? >>>>>>>> If that starts to gain traction, we could set up a more open room >>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> users >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> as well. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sangjin >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 9:13 AM, Karthik Kambatla < >>>>>>>> ka...@cloudera.com >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Recently, Andrew Wang and I were at an academic conference where one >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> attendees (a grad student) was mentioning that his posts to the IRC >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> channel >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> are never answered. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Personally, I haven't been using the IRC channel. Neither do I know >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> anyone >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> who is actively monitoring it. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I am emailing to check: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 1. Are there folks actively monitoring the IRC channel and >>>>>>>>> answering >>>>>>>>> questions? >>>>>>>>> 2. If there is no one, should we consider retiring the >>>>>>>>> channel? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>>> Karthik >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: common-dev-unsubscr...@hadoop.apache.org >>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: common-dev-h...@hadoop.apache.org >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: common-dev-unsubscr...@hadoop.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: common-dev-h...@hadoop.apache.org > >
