Thanks Andrew for the update on HBase side! >> Throughput drops 3-4x, or worse. Hopefully we can avoid much of the encryption overhead. We're prototyping a solution working on that.
Regards, Kai -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Purtell [mailto:andrew.purt...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2016 5:35 PM To: common-dev@hadoop.apache.org Subject: Re: Introduce Apache Kerby to Hadoop I get a excited thinking about the prospect of better performance with auth-conf QoP. HBase RPC is an increasingly distant fork but still close enough to Hadoop in that respect. Our bulk data transfer protocol isn't a separate thing like in HDFS, which avoids a SASL wrapped implementation, so we really suffer when auth-conf is negotiated. You'll see the same impact where there might be a high frequency of NameNode RPC calls or similar still. Throughput drops 3-4x, or worse. > On Feb 22, 2016, at 4:56 PM, Zheng, Kai <kai.zh...@intel.com> wrote: > > Thanks for the confirm and further inputs, Steve. > >>> the latter would dramatically reduce the cost of wire-encrypting IPC. > Yes to optimize Hadoop IPC/RPC encryption is another opportunity Kerby can > help with, it's possible because we may hook Chimera or AES-NI thing into the > Kerberos layer by leveraging the Kerberos library. As it may be noted, > HADOOP-12725 is on the going for this aspect. There may be good result and > further update on this recently. > >>> For now, I'd like to see basic steps -upgrading minkdc to krypto, see how >>> it works. > Yes, starting with this initial steps upgrading MiniKDC to use Kerby is the > right thing we could do. After some interactions with Kerby project, we may > have more ideas how to proceed on the followings. > >>> Long term, I'd like Hadoop 3 to be Kerby-ized > This sounds great! With necessary support from the community like feedback > and patch reviewing, we can speed up the related work. > > Regards, > Kai > > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve Loughran [mailto:ste...@hortonworks.com] > Sent: Monday, February 22, 2016 6:51 PM > To: common-dev@hadoop.apache.org > Subject: Re: Introduce Apache Kerby to Hadoop > > > > I've discussed this offline with Kai, as part of the "let's fix kerberos" > project. Not only is it a better Kerberos engine, we can do more diagnostics, > get better algorithms and ultimately get better APIs for doing Kerberos and > SASL —the latter would dramatically reduce the cost of wire-encrypting IPC. > > For now, I'd like to see basic steps -upgrading minkdc to krypto, see how it > works. > > Long term, I'd like Hadoop 3 to be Kerby-ized > > >> On 22 Feb 2016, at 06:41, Zheng, Kai <kai.zh...@intel.com> wrote: >> >> Hi folks, >> >> I'd like to mention Apache Kerby [1] here to the community and propose to >> introduce the project to Hadoop, a sub project of Apache Directory project. >> >> Apache Kerby is a Kerberos centric project and aims to provide a first Java >> Kerberos library that contains both client and server supports. The relevant >> features include: >> It supports full Kerberos encryption types aligned with both MIT KDC >> and MS AD; Client APIs to allow to login via password, credential >> cache, keytab file and etc.; Utilities for generate, operate and >> inspect keytab and credential cache files; A simple KDC server that >> borrows some ideas from Hadoop-MiniKDC and can be used in tests but >> with minimal overhead in external dependencies; A brand new token mechanism >> is provided, can be experimentally used, using it a JWT token can be used to >> exchange a TGT or service ticket; Anonymous PKINIT support, can be >> experientially used, as the first Java library that supports the Kerberos >> major extension. >> >> The project stands alone and is ensured to only depend on JRE for easier >> usage. It has made the first release (1.0.0-RC1) and 2nd release (RC2) is >> upcoming. >> >> >> As an initial step, this proposal suggests using Apache Kerby to upgrade the >> existing codes related to ApacheDS for the Kerberos support. The >> advantageous: >> >> 1. The kerby-kerb library is all the need, which is purely in Java, >> SLF4J is the only dependency, the whole is rather small; >> >> 2. There is a SimpleKDC in the library for test usage, which borrowed >> the MiniKDC idea and implemented all the support existing in MiniKDC. >> We had a POC that rewrote MiniKDC using Kerby SimpleKDC and it works >> fine; >> >> 3. Full Kerberos encryption types (many of them are not available in >> JRE but supported by major Kerberos vendors) and more functionalities >> like credential cache support; >> >> 4. Perhaps the most concerned, Hadoop MiniKDC and etc. depend on the >> old Kerberos implementation in Directory Server project, but the >> implementation is stopped being maintained. Directory project has a >> plan to replace the implementation using Kerby. MiniKDC can use Kerby >> directly to simplify the deps; >> >> 5. Extensively tested with all kinds of unit tests, already being >> used for some time (like PSU), even in production environment; >> >> 6. Actively developed, and can be fixed and released in time if necessary, >> separately and independently from other components in Apache Directory >> project. By actively developing Apache Kerby and now applying it to Hadoop, >> our side wish to make the Kerberos deploying, troubleshooting and further >> enhancement can be much easier and thereafter possible. >> >> >> >> Wish this is a good beginning, and eventually Apache Kerby can benefit other >> projects in the ecosystem as well. >> >> >> >> This Kerberos related work is actually a long time effort led by Weihua >> Jiang in Intel, and had been kindly encouraged by Andrew Purtell, Steve >> Loughran, Gangumalla Uma, Andrew Wang and etc., thanks a lot for their great >> discussions and inputs in the past. >> >> >> >> Your feedback is very welcome. Thanks in advance. >> >> >> >> [1] https://github.com/apache/directory-kerby >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Kai >
