Just to clarify, the tomcat/jasper updates and the jersey updates should be able to go in without any jetty changes. There is also a separate BZ for updating jetty to jetty 8, which is the last jetty version that will run on java 6, if there is a desire to update jetty without requiring java 7.

If jetty 9 is being looked at for inclusion it will affect the jasper bits in the poms. Jetty 9 has its own jsp compiler and would need to replace jasper, but that's largely just pom changes iirc. Jetty 9 does revamp some apis and should definitely be looked at by people more knowledgeable with how jetty is used, especially as it relates to secure mode.

Rob

On 11/13/2013 03:31 PM, Steve Loughran wrote:
I've just been through some of these as part of my background project, "fix
up the POMs" https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HADOOP-9991.


    1. I've applied the simple low/risk ones.
    2. I've not done the bookkeeper one, as people working with that code
    need to play with it first.
    3. I've not touched anything related to {jersey, tomcat, jetty}

This is more than just a java6/7 issue, is is that Jetty has been very
brittle in the past, and there's code in hadoop to detect when it's not
actually servicing requests properly. Moving up Jetty/web server versions
is something that needs to be done carefull and with consensus -and once
you leave Jetty alone, I don't know where the jersey and tomcat changes go.

There is always the option of s/jetty/r/grizzly/

-steve




On 1 November 2013 14:57, Robert Rati <rr...@redhat.com> wrote:

Putting the java 6 vs java 7 issue aside, what about the other patches to
update dependencies?  Can those be looked at an planned for inclusion into
a releation?

Rob


On 10/31/2013 05:51 PM, Andrew Wang wrote:

I'm in agreement with Steve on this one. We're aware that Java 6 is EOL,
but we can't drop support for the lifetime of the 2.x line since it's a
(very) incompatible change. AFAIK a 3.x release fixing this isn't on any
of
our horizons yet.

Best,
Andrew


On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 6:15 AM, Robert Rati <rr...@redhat.com> wrote:

  https://issues.apache.org/****jira/browse/HADOOP-9594<https:
//issues.apache.org/**jira/browse/HADOOP-9594>

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  https://issues.apache.org/****jira/browse/HADOOP-10067<https
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  https://issues.apache.org/****jira/browse/HADOOP-9849<https:
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<https:**//issues.apache.org/jira/**browse/HADOOP-9849<http
s://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HADOOP-9849>




   most (all?) of these are  pom changes



A good number are basically pom changes to update to newer versions of
dependencies.  A few, such as commons-math3, required code changes as
well
because of a namespace change.  Some are minor code changes to enhance
compatibility with newer dependencies.  Even tomcat is mostly changes in
pom files.


   Most of the changes are minor.  There are 2 big updates though: Jetty 9

(which requires java 7) and tomcat 7.  These are also the most difficult
patches to rebase when hadoop produces a new release.


   that's not going to go in the 2.x branch. Java 6 is still a common

platform
that people are using, because historically java7 (or any leading edge
java
version) is buggy.

that said, our QA team did test hadoop 2 & HDP-2 at scale on java7 and
openjdk 7, so it all works -it's just the commit "java7 only" is a big
decision that


I realize moving to java 7 is a big decision and wasn't trying to imply
this should happen without discussion and planning, just that it would be
nice to have the discussion and see where things land.  It can also help
minimize work.  There is an open bz for updating jetty to jetty 8 (the
last
version that would work on java 6), but if there are plans to move to
java7, maybe it makes sense to just to jetty 9 and not test a new version
of jetty twice.

With Hadoop in Fedora running on these newer deps there is a test bed to
play with to give some level of confidence before taking the plunge on
any
major change.

Rob




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