Mark, I actually wouldn't say I'm disagreeing with you (:)) or that your 
cynicism isn't completely justified.

Indeed, the library website redesigns always, on the whole, turned out unique 
(besides the common design patterns of "cluttered", "jargon-y" and 
"aesthetically woeful").  That being said, almost every one picked up *some* 
design cue from another website, whether it be verbiage, layout of search 
boxes, where 'contact us' should go, etc. and I imagine given the number of 
library websites + the number of library websites designed by "library website 
redesign committee" that all went through this due diligence stage, there 
*must* be overlaps of design cues.

That's all I'm saying - that on the aggregate, there are probably patterns, 
although I would not say they are necessarily coherent or even well-thought 
out, I think patterns would emerge.

-Ross.

On May 11, 2012, at 11:38 AM, Mark Jordan wrote:

> Ross,
> 
> Good counter example, and I'm sure your experience is a common one. Pat's 
> question caught me in a moment of deep cynicism -- I'm not saying there can't 
> be library website design patters, just that libraries more often than not 
> end up implementing new sites by reinventing the wheel, and justifying that 
> reinvention by arguing that their local wheel needs to be a oval, not round. 
> In fact, I'd have to ask about your experience (simply because it is probably 
> shared by a lot of people), at the end of the process, how much of a design 
> pattern did the implementation group infer from your study of other sites, 
> and how much of the study focused on subjective design components like 
> colors, fonts, and other eye candy. And how much of the study was perfunctory 
> due diligence, performed despite the assumption that the library or the 
> library's perceived users somehow required an oval site architecture. It's 
> the "for whatever local reasons or biases we had" that I am cynical about.
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
>> On May 10, 2012, at 5:49 PM, Mark Jordan wrote:
>> 
>>> Wouldn't the NIH syndrome endemic to libraries make such a set
>>> unlikely?
>> 
>> But every website redesign committee I have ever sat on (which have
>> been many; since the dawn of the web -- every one a scarring
>> experience) has always started by compiling the library websites
>> (and occasionally outside of the library, but almost *always*
>> library websites) that have designs we admire or aspects that we
>> would like to emulate or incorporate.
>> 
>> Every single one.
>> 
>> I can't imagine that this phenomenon was exclusive to the three
>> universities I have worked for, which would lead me to believe that
>> *some* design patterns must show up in a significant cross-section
>> of library websites (although, like Sean, I agree that so often,
>> other website designs were rejected for whatever local reasons or
>> biases we had).
>> 
>> -Ross.
>> 
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> So, there are a gajillion and one design pattern libraries out
>>>> there...has
>>>> anybody come across a set of design patterns focused on library
>>>> web
>>>> sites?
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Pat
>>>> 
>> 

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