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On Aug 31, 2012, at 21:11, Scott Anguish <sc...@cocoadoc.com> wrote:

> This has gone far enough.
> 
> The thread is closed. It is appropriate for this list.
> 
> 
> On Aug 31, 2012, at 5:29 PM, Jeffrey Oleander <jgo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
>>> From: davel...@mac.com <davel...@mac.com>
>>> To: cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com
>>> Date: Thursday, 2012 August 30, 18:26
>>>> On 2012 Aug 30, at 18:09, z...@mac.com wrote:
>>>>> From: Jeffrey Oleander <jgo...@yahoo.com>
>>>>> Thu, 2012 Aug 30 13:57:44 
>>>>> To: <cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: Sandboxing die.die.die 
>>>>> Sandboxing die.die.die
>>>>> Code-Signing die.die.die
>>>>> Javascript die.die.die
>>>>> Kludgey CPUs die.die.die
>>>>> Bodyshopping die.die.die
>> Contextless docs die.die.die
>>>>> (throwing hammer at hare-brained power-mad forces of
>>>>> evil)
>>>>> 
>>>>> Now, when can we cut the chains and get back to
>>>>> developing great apps?
>> 
>>>> Easy. When the exact items that we have issues with
>>>> are addressed.
>>>> 
>>>> It's not that hard. Listen to the developers and
>>>> fix what causes the most problems for them. 
>>>> 
>>>> You satisfy their needs and as a result have
>>>> developers creating great apps easier and faster.
>>>> 
>>>> If you don't do this, then the focus from management
>>>> is in the wrong place.
>> 
>>> But you're tilting at windmills here.
>> 
>> Cervantes... Don Quixote de la Mancha charging at
>> what he thought was an evil, force and fraud initiating
>> knight, but, in reality attacking a wind-mill.  That's 
>> not the case, here.  (Why do so many people mis-apply
>> that expression to deride others' efforts to improve
>> things?)
>> 
>> These are actual design flaws and bugs, and lack of 
>> clarity completeness and context in docs.
>> 
>>> This is not an official support channel. File Radars....
>> 
>> I would but it's broken... again.  Hence:
>>>> Javascript die.die.die
>>>> Javascript die.die.die
>> 
>> On the plus side, display manufacturers have made
>> larger, higher res displays.  Yay.  OTOH, who can
>> afford them in this approximately 13th year of the 
>> Bush-Clinton-Bush-Obama economic depression.  raspberries.
>> 
>> OT3H, all past bug reports and requests for improvements
>> in docs have gone to the bit bucket.  Not corrected,
>> just closed, rarely acknowledged.
>> 
>> I used to do tech support.  I've worked on ticketing/
>> bug report systems.  I've seen developers and tech writers
>> do such things in the past.  The only real solution is
>> for someone within the company to be given enough clout
>> to see that the bugs are actually corrected before the
>> ticket gets closed.  The usual pattern is for it to get
>> worse and worse over a period of a decade or more before
>> someone comes along to clean house.
>> 
>> But I don't expect miracles.  Apple has high revenues,
>> so some folks are satisfied with what they're getting
>> for now, and I get the impression there are lots of 
>> newbie developers willing to put up with draconian 
>> nonsense just to have the chance to develop at all.
>> 
>> Until the bugs and design flaws and docs are all corrected, 
>> I'll continue grumping by whatever channels are open, 
>> thankyouverymuch, though I do refrain for long periods --
>> often years at a stretch -- so as not to jam the lines 
>> of communication.  I'm making an exception, this time,
>> by posting twice, simply because there's quite a bit of
>> spill-over aggravation from the US (and UK) politicians 
>> of several parties striving mightily to make STEM job 
>> markets worse in this political cycle.
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