Ok, seems like there is no middle ground between using straight cocoa and a custom titlebar.
Not sure if I can picture a solution using a NSOutlineView, seems orthogonal to what I am trying to achieve. If you go to Omni website and install the trial version of OmniGraphSketch and look at their inspectors, that will give you what I am trying to achieve(yeah, their code is Open Sourced and I am free to use it). The disclosure triangle hides/shows the panel. When hidden, you get just the title bar and the tool button bar showing. Maybe the disclosure triangle in the custom view won't be so bad. I need to try that. It avoids the proximity issue with the standard button. Sorry on the confusion with Precedence/Precedents. I need slow down. Again, super thanks for the feedback. -Tony On Aug 2, 2010, at 4:43 PM, Quincey Morris wrote: > On Aug 2, 2010, at 16:16, Tony Romano wrote: > >> Honestly guys, I have no devious motives here ! :-) I am not trying to take >> any shortcuts, I am just trying to learn the correct way to do things. >> There are programs such as Photoshop, OmniGraphSketcher that do similar >> things. For this UI, I am trying to follow precedence. I know the Omni >> code is completely custom drawn. I know Photoshop doesn't use cocoa as of >> CS4 so it must be custom as well. > > Oh, I just got it. You've been saying "precedence" and I just realized you > meant "precedents". (I thought you meant something like behavior inheritance.) > > Before you use Photoshop or OmniGraphSketcher or anything else that has a > similar palette system as a precedent, you need to be sure that you're trying > to solve the same problem that those systems were designed to solve. That's > what I was trying to direct your attention towards. > >> Right now I have 4 inspectors, it may go to 5 but thats about it. I can >> easily put the disclosure triangle on the content view and be done with it. >> Unfortunately, I still don't understand what I need to do to make my >> original proposal work short of creating my own "Inspector Panel" class. Is >> it possible using NSPanel as it stands or do I need to do a bunch of custom >> code. > > The reason I ... er ... accused you of using a shortcut is that your proposed > solution isn't really repurposing the minimize button (and, it could be > strongly argued, shouldn't repurpose it). The shortcut comes from not paying > to attention to the *accidental* geographic similarity between the minimize > button and the control you had in mind. > > If you chose to implement this with custom code, then you'd have to deal with > only the following: > > 1. Suppressing the NSPanel title bar (possibly not hard). > > 2. Handling dragging of a window with no title bar (not hard). > > 3. Drawing an alternate gradient to look like a title bar (not hard). > > 4. Providing an alternate close control implementation (not hard, and quite > possibly shouldn't be the traffic-light-style red button anyway) > > 5. Providing your disclosure control (not hard). > > 6. Resizing the window when the disclosure control action is triggered (not > hard). > > Well, that's all I can think of. If you really wanted to have this behavior, > it doesn't seem hard to implement in a way that is only a few lines of code > and doesn't abuse the frameworks. In fact, I'd start by looking into using > NSOutlineView to get the collapsing appearance and behavior for almost free. > > But, really, be sure you know what problem you're trying to solve before > putting a lot of effort into solving it. :) > > > _______________________________________________ > > Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) > > Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. > Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com > > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/tonyrom%40hotmail.com > > This email sent to tony...@hotmail.com > -Tony _______________________________________________ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
