They're separate in the sense that this mailing list is hosted and moderated by 
Apple, and #macdev and #iphone are not.  However, I wouldn't be surprised if 
there's quite a bit of crossover between this community and the IRC community.

If you're interested, you may also consider checking out StackOverflow.com, 
which also has a large and active Cocoa/Objective-C/iPhone community.

In the meantime, this thread is completely off-topic for this list.

Dave

On May 2, 2010, at 8:45 PM, Patrick M. Rutkowski wrote:

> Sorry, this is all just really frustrating, and I guess I was running
> under the false assumption that #macdev/#iphone and the mailing lists
> are the same user community :-/
> 
> My apologies for the language. Your right, I shouldn't have posted
> this to the list at all.
> 
> -Patrick

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