On 30-Nov-09, at 4:06 PM, Bill Bumgarner wrote:

On Nov 30, 2009, at 12:50 PM, Dennis Munsie wrote:

Not that I'm advocating it, but you can also declare a field as @public to allow you to access it via the -> operator. Of course, I could be missing some compiler magic going on behind the scene as well, and it may not actually be the same speed wise as @defs was.

The compiler preserves the "non-fragile" part of "non-fragile ivars" when using the -> operator.

Not to mention that it's just plain nasty :)

Yup, that it is.

This is interesting to me, since I am in fact using @public and -> with some ivars to allow faster use of one of my classes. (Yes, I've confirmed that this is significant in Sampler; it is, in fact, quite a large percentage of the total time of my app, which has runtimes measured in days, so I do care :->). I understand the concept of the fragile base class problem and so forth; I just didn't realize Apple had done something to fix it that might affect the performance of my app. :->

What I want is essentially a struct with methods; I need super-fast access to ivars for clients of the class in some places in my code. But I also want functionality provided by the class itself via methods, and I want a class hierarchy (so just using functions instead of methods gets ugly fast). Is there a better solution than @public? Or is there some reason I shouldn't worry about it -- is all the overhead just on the first pass through any given code path, with back- patching, for example?

I realize the dangers of breaking encapsulation, etc. :-> But sometimes optimization simply demands that you do such things. I run my app on a computing cluster, and time on the cluster is at a premium, so the headaches involved are worth it. I just want to know the best way to do it, given these recent changes to Objective-C. Any advice?

Ben Haller
Stick Software

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