On Oct 19, 2009, at 8:32 AM, Stuart Malin wrote:

What you perceived as "passive aggressive" is... I.S.'s style, which, if you were a regular reader of the list, you'd be familiar with; a style that (I suspect) ameliorates his frustration and enables him to answer yet-once-again a query that should never have been posted, and do so with useful guidance, all in the hopes (I further suspect) that if others would read, the list would become a place of ever-more streamlined activity.

Well said, but to be fair, he directly quoted Jens' comment (which included his desire to invest in SEO for his class). I believe I'm innocent there. :-D

  (Note: None of the following is aimed at the OP.)

You are right that malformed (or even lazy) questions become tiresome to those who try to contribute to the list every day. Sometimes it's easy to laugh about it and come up with a witty way of pointing out laziness (in research or in framing the question) but other times impatience and annoyance get the better of many of us. We're human. Want a less annoyed response? Mind your manners: do your research and make an effort not to waste our time.

It's also important to consider - and I bring this up because another poster said he felt it was condescending - the "how to ask smart questions" link is 100% on the money. Sure, it's irreverent but for some posters, I think the best thing for them is to be shamed into reconsidering how they approach a technical mailing list for help. It worked for me years ago - yes, shocker, I was new to using a list and didn't understand how wrong my approach was until someone gave me a stern talking-to, forcing me to consider it.

So, while my own response made light of the stock "please search first" (ie, "intellectual laziness is considered rude among professional developers"), my annoyance was minor and levity was my main goal. I won't speak for Jens but when I saw his response, I didn't think his SEO comment was aimed at the OP, just that he lamented his own hard work wasn't found with a Google search with relevant keywords. Shame on him! ;-)

And, finally: "Passive-aggressive" is something of which I've never been accused. "Blunt ***hole" however ... well, guilty as charged. ;-)

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I.S.


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