Hi Jens,

> On 3 Oct 2019, at 20:04, Jens Alfke via Cocoa-dev <cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> The people I hear complaining about this are those who, like you, didn't move 
> to Cocoa. Carbon was a _temporary_ transition API*. 

It wasn’t clear to us (outside Apple) that Carbon was a temporary API until 
2007, when Apple suddenly abandoned 64-bit Carbon.

That might have been a good decision from Apple’s perspective, but we found it 
was extremely difficult to convert a large Carbon (C++) program into a Cocoa 
(C++ / ObjC) program. We attempted to do this (starting in 2007) and we failed. 
There were various reasons for this failure - but in the end (starting in 2017) 
we decided to do a complete rewrite using Cocoa and Swift.

I know there are large companies that successfully moved from Carbon to Cocoa, 
including Apple itself. iTunes and the Finder became Cocoa programs at some 
point. But I don’t think it was easy for small companies with large/complex 
programs.

Personally, I think that Cocoa is a much better framework than Carbon ever was. 
But I wish that Apple had made it easier to transition from Carbon to Cocoa.

Jeremy

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