I thought there were both local and iCloud Notes, no?

Sandor

> On Jun 28, 2017, at 09:14, Jean-Daniel <mail...@xenonium.com> wrote:
> 
> 
>> Le 27 juin 2017 à 04:25, Sandor Szatmari <admin.szatmari....@gmail.com> a 
>> écrit :
>> 
>> This is an interesting thread.  The OP's original question made me think of 
>> the functionality Apple recently (how recently I'm not sure) added to the 
>> iOS Notes app.  It allows you to selectively 'encrypt' (password protect) a 
>> note.  This functionality allows you to pass your phone to someone to let 
>> them read a note and not worry about them skipping to your note with all 
>> your 'secret info'.  Also, if someone got your phone in an unlocked state, 
>> (it could happen I guess) they couldn't trust a Mac and browse to plain text 
>> files.  
> 
> Notes are sync with iCloud and can be read on a Mac where this is far more 
> common to share a session.
> 
>> I must say at this point I whole heartedly agree with all the warnings for 
>> implementing encryption schemes.  But is there not also a valid use case 
>> here?  Unless I'm misunderstanding things, Apple seemed to think so.
>> 
>> Sandor
>> 
>>>> On Jun 26, 2017, at 13:59, Jens Alfke <j...@mooseyard.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Jun 26, 2017, at 9:50 AM, Alex Zavatone <z...@mac.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> You can use the iExplore app to look in the Documents folder of any device 
>>>> you attach to your Mac. 
>>> 
>>> But you can only attach a device to your Mac if the device is unlocked, 
>>> since you have to OK the “Do you trust this computer?” alert.
>>> As recent court cases have shown, unlocking an iOS device against the 
>>> owner’s will is nearly impossible.
>>> 
>>>> Also, data protection SUCKS because it locks the files if the app goes in 
>>>> to the background, basically suspending any file based background 
>>>> operations like sql db updates. 
>>> 
>>> It does this by default, but you can alter those settings if you need 
>>> background access to certain files, basically trading some security for 
>>> greater access.
>>> 
>>>> Thanks to the help of Chris Thorman, I was able to update an AES256 hmac 
>>>> method to work with UTF-8 char sets.  We use this for data security over 
>>>> http.
>>> 
>>> It’s much easier to just enable SSL/TLS on the HTTP server. (Though I 
>>> realize there are cases where you don’t have control over the server, or 
>>> circumstances prevent deploying HTTPS.)
>>> 
>>>> Now, it might be overkill or just bad design, but we use a CoreData db 
>>>> with transformable property and encrypt the data stored. 
>>> 
>>> How do you store the encryption key? That’s often the downfall; even if you 
>>> put it in the Keychain, it can be accessed by an attacker if your app’s 
>>> files are accessible (unless you add TouchID authentication to it.)
>>> 
>>> (Also, I hope you’re using a different IV for each record you encrypt. 
>>> Sorry to be a broken record about this, but it’s important.)
>>> 
>>> —Jens
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