On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 6:58 PM, Rua Haszard Morris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 2 Cocoa requires you when learning to implement things by clicking and > dragging, which makes learning harder for some people (this is a real > annoyance to me, why can we not see/edit these connections in a text file? > why is there so much other crap in the nib xml? etc).
The fact that you have an XML version of the NIB is ancillary; it does not exist to support editing by hand. It's there so that version control systems which choke on binary files can handle NIBs better. You're right that Cocoa -- or, more specifically, AppKit -- requires you to click-and-drag a lot of things when developing. But why is "seeing it all in a text file" superior? I fail to see how it's anything but *inferior*, because you're not writing code when you're doing the clicky-draggy-line-drawy part of AppKit development. This is a very fundamental stumbling block for a lot of people who are used to developing on other platforms, but it's really one of those things you have to take on faith and just understand this is not your previous environment. > 3 There's a belief (among) that Cocoa is in some way special and these > documentation (or more general) shortcomings/issues are not relevant or real > or justified. I actually think you're talking about two separate concerns. Cocoa is very special, because it implements patterns that no other widely-used framework does, and applies them rigorously and consistently. And I think a lot of issues with the documentation are imaginary, or are a result of not accepting or fully understanding how Cocoa differs from previously-experienced platforms. Then again, I have been seeing a lot of legitimate complaints arising recently in this thread and others. All I can say about this topic is that I ran into brick wall after brick wall when learning Cocoa until one day when everything just clicked. Like when I was studying statistics. Or the Knuth-Morris-Pratt algorithm. You just have to say "I'm lost, I'll keep clicking and dragging and voraciously reading and re-reading the introductory, conceptual documentation until I get it, despite my decade of software development experience." --Kyle Sluder _______________________________________________ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
