On 15 May 2008, at 6:05 am, Julius Guzy wrote:
I have no idea how the rest of you gained your expertise but working on my own, even with the help of books and the internet it has been an absolute nightmare.
I imagine it can be hard without a structured approach to learning it - there's a lot there and without a guide it's impossible to know where to "jump in". I doubt that IB or Xcode is intuitive enough to guess.
I recommend Aaron Hillegasse's book "Cocoa Programming for Mac OS X" (http://www.amazon.com/Cocoa-Programming-Mac-OS-3rd/dp/0321503619/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_k2a_3_txt?pf_rd_p=304485601&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-2&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=0201726831&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=1BBG60H7AHDA15M6M1VJ )
Personally I found using this book I could start writing useful code with Cocoa and IB after about a week (simple stuff, at that stage). That said, I did also attend a course at Apple Munich on Cocoa way back in 1997 not long after the NeXT merger, which involved running a very early version of the Yellow Box on Intel PCs - all a bit weird, but again, it was a structured introduction which was a good mix of actually using the tools like IB and lectures giving a glimpse of the potential. It was another 5 years before I looked at any of that again, so I'd forgotten the details but remembered some of the core concepts. Hillegass took me the rest of the way.
It might be worthwhile attending a course if you can find one - do Apple still run them? That can often cut through months of frustration trying to struggle on ones own.
One problem intially was with IB itself which wanted me to drag from controls to outlets etc. and which I found very hard to learn
You probably didn't mean what you wrote, but if you did, then you would have had trouble - IB doesn't *ever* want you to do this. You drag FROM outlet TO control. You drag FROM control TO target + action method. It's always FROM source TO destination.
and books like Cocoa Programming for Mac OSX and Vermont recipes were very hard going. Perhaps it was their verbosity, or the learning by rote
I've already talked up this book, so I'm surprised you feel this way about it. It's not verbose, it's concise and clearly written. You can choose to learn by rote or you can take the underlying concepts, ideas and principles and use those to explore other things more appropriate to the tasks you want to accomplish. This sort of exploration may not work for everybody, but it did for me. It's a little like doing science - the book gives you some theory, a selection of scattered facts, but you extrapolate from that to your own situation, test your understanding by testing new "what if" cases and thus gradually expand the theory and your own understanding. I personally feel that this is the point of these books - they are not intended to give you a tutorial for all of Cocoa, they show you a few pertinent examples and expect you to use some induction to extend that to other parts they don't specifically cover. I would imagine that reading Hillegasse from cover to cover and typing in every example would be extremely dull indeed, and I doubt you'd really absorb all that much. Instead, have a goal of your own and use the book as a reference to explore certain concepts then use your own project to try and apply them. Sure you'll make lots of mistakes, and from time to time there will be frustration, but those moments when you extrapolate from principle A and B to guess that C and D will happen - AND IT DOES! - will make it all worthwhile ;-)
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