I'm new to (modern) Mac programming. There seem to be two major show-stoppers to what I need to do, and I'd be grateful to be told how to get around these seemingly impenetrable barriers. I posted a similar question on the carbon-dev list and got some useful advice, and now I'm asking the advice of the Cocoa community.

Visual is a 3D graphics module for Python; the combination is called VPython (see vpython.org). Visual, which is written in multithreaded C++, can be imported dynamically at any time in a Python program. Visual then has to start up an event loop to make a window and process events.

First, it appears impossible to start either a Cocoa or Carbon event loop from a secondary thread, which I think I need to do in the Visual situation. We're not building an application, we're building an importable module. (In tests we ran, we ran into similar problems with PyObjC.)

Second, I don't see any way to access a Nib file in this situation. I think my event loop has to be implemented in a nibless way. I'm not building a free-standing bundled application. After a fair amount of blood on the floor (since there is no or wrong or out-of-date documentation on how to do this with Carbon, and/or the things recommended turn out to be deprecated when tried), I did succeed in making a nibless Carbon proof of concept.

I found a series of articles on nibless Cocoa, but these articles assume far more knowledge than I currently have, and the scheme seems to depend on undocumented tricks and kludges that are unlikely to be stable:

http://lapcatsoftware.com/blog/2007/07/10/working-without-a-nib-part-5-open-recent-menu

Is there an approved way to work with Cocoa without a Nib file? Or equivalently is there a way to specify a location where the Nib file can be found? Visual won't be a bundled application, so presumably the Nib file won't be found in a standard place.

Bruce Sherwood

P.S. Until now the Mac version of Visual has been built on GTKmm and requires Fink and X11, which makes VPython difficult to install for nonexpert Mac users. We very much want a native-mode version of Visual.


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