Additional comments below:
1. Depending on your mast 'stiffness' and how much you really can or do bend
it, you may be able to permanently remove the baby stay--my 36 has a 'bendy'
mast but the spreaders are 90 degrees to the boat centerline fore and aft. My
sailmaker had a look and decided that given the conditions I sail in and the
various PITAs that a baby stay presents, I could safely remove it, track and
all, and just use my check stays to help steady the mast in choppy conditions.
Much easier on headsails to tack upwind or deal with the kite downwind. (I
would not take her offshore without either reinstalling the baby stay or
otherwise stiffening the mast.)
2. Gybing a symmetrical with the baby stay in place is a recipe for
disaster--from seriously injuring someone up to and including a gravity
storm--mast coming down. I don't know about asymmetrical kite jibes with a baby
stay in place.
3. Doing dip-pole jibes with lazy sheets/guys would be a real challenge with
only one set of winches.
Given where you are starting, I would seriously investigate an asymmetric kite.
However, depending on your local PHRF rules, you may suffer a large rating hit
with an asymmetrical kite. Before I would go that way, I would seriously
investigate this possibility with your rating organization.
FWIW
Charlie Nelson1995 C&C 36 XL/kcbWater Phantom
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{margin-bottom:0in;}Comments below. From: andrew--- via CnC-List
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Subject: Stus-List C&C33-2 Symmetrical Spinnaker Good day,I finally found a
pole for my recently acquired symmetrical spinnakers, and time to get the boat
setup for spinnaker, and was hoping for some input from the group.The boat has
never been setup for spinnaker.
- Baby stay - it is currently fixed and not adjustable and I believe the
purpose is to introduce a bit of mid mast bend to flatten the sail, and also to
prevent excessive mast flex when pounding up wind. I would think that this
needs to be disengaged to make gybing possible. Any suggestions other than
mounting a track on the cabin top?
Yes, you will need to be able to disengage the baby stay. I have no
suggestions aside from a track.
- Gybing - if I could temporary disengage baby stay I could dip gybe. End to
end gybing may be possible if baby stays engaged. Does anybody have any
experience with gybing asymmetrical on 33-2?
A dip gybe is common for that size boat. I can envision a real cluster-#@!& if
you attempt end-to-end with a baby stay in the way. Do you mean “a
symmetrical” instead of “asymmetrical”?
- Downhaul - I could mount hardware on deck for downhaul (I would assume
deck would be strong enough with just a backing plate? Or another option would
be to run sheet and guy, and use the guy, with a forward lead, as a downhaul.
Not sure if the angle would be sufficient, probably OK though.
On my 42 Custom, I have a track running down the middle of the foredeck (fore
and aft). I attach a block to the forward end of the track for the “foreguy”
(aka downhaul). You could also place a piece of hardware on the deck with a
backing plate. Leading the guy back to the cockpit without rubbing on
something an issue to consider.
- Topping lift - there is an entrance maybe 2/3 up the mast. I would assume
this has a sheave (I will go up the mast within the month, but wondering if
anybody knows if there would be a sheave. I would think there would be but
wanted to check
The mast exit block for my topping lift, which can also be used for a staysail
(not a tall boy), is also about 2/3 of the way up. I suspect that’s what your
exit block is.
- Mast track - seems like lot’s of work was just thinking of a single
attachment point head high(ish).
I have seen single pole attachments for smaller boats, but this will make
dipping the pole more difficult. You need to raise the mast end to get
clearance at the forestay.Anyhow as you’ve gathered the boat was never setup
for spinnaker. We will do some local club racing and also cruise, and looking
for some input, or some good online resources to help me make the decisions on
what needs to be done. Also we only have a pair of primaries and an addition
pair is not in the short term plan.Maybe consider an asym given all the
hardware you need to purchase and install for a symmetrical. Good
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