On side note. I grew up sailing on my dad’s C&C 27 in British Columbia. On one cruise, I read a book by Canadian author Farley Mowat called The Boat Who Wouldn’t Float, about a pair of fellows buying and converting a small fishing schooner in Newfoundland. Mowat talks a lot about the area and I’ve wanted to cruise there since. My club has a cruise in Nfld this summer but my wife thinks we should attend our daughter’s wedding instead of joining them. I highly recommend the book for any sailor with a sense of humour: “Black coffee made with rum as a substitute for water is a drink of considerable authority.”
Andy Andrew Burton 26 Beacon Hill Newport, RI USA 02840 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ +401 965-5260 > On Jan 15, 2022, at 21:06, Ken Heaton via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote: > > > I don't think it is easy to stay in the US for more than 12 month either. > But you only have to leave and go to another country for 15 days, then you > can return and start the clock over again. I'm not sure what the similar > rule is for Canada. > > Ken H. > >> On Sat, 15 Jan 2022 at 21:44, Dave S <syerd...@gmail.com> wrote: >> Andy - you might need to make a short trip to st Pierre and Miquelon. >> >> Eurozone VAT is similar I believe, non-paid boats need to leave briefly and >> return to reset the clock (or pay) and paid boats can’t be gone too long or >> they lose their paid status. >> I think I see a retirement gig in the med in my future! >> Dave >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>> On Jan 15, 2022, at 7:28 PM, Robert Abbott via CnC-List >>>> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >>>> >>> Ken, >>> >>> Thank you all of this...everything one could want on the subject matter. >>> >>> Robert Abbott >>> AZURA >>> C&C 32 - #277 >>> Halifax, N.S. >>> >>> On 2022-01-15 4:59 p.m., Ken Heaton wrote: >>>> Further to this, it appears some of Henry's American clients had kept >>>> their boats in Canada continuously for up to 18 years without ever >>>> actually officially importing them, so never paid import duties: >>>> https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/tariff-for-non-canadian-boat-owners-threatens-yard-1.1322571 >>>> >>>> In the long run, the rules were not changed, and this didn't seem to have >>>> any lasting effect on Henry's business. The Cape Breton Boat Yard in >>>> Baddeck, Nova Scotia is still in business. >>>> >>>> Ken H.. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sat, 15 Jan 2022 at 16:53, Ken Heaton <kenhea...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> The "short amount of time" Andrew refers to is one full year (12 months). >>>>> The ``newish" law Andrew referred to has been on the books for at least >>>>> 20 years ( I think since the fall of 1998) but has been spottily >>>>> enforced. In theory, US boats are not supposed to overwinter (stay longer >>>>> than 12 months) in Canada without being legally imported and paying duty. >>>>> But there’s an exception. If a boat needs repairs, it may stay—and the >>>>> repairs, maintenance and storage of such yachts has been the core >>>>> business of Henry Fuller of the Cape Breton Boat Yard in Baddeck, Nova >>>>> Scotia. And though the necessary “repairs” may not have been very >>>>> extensive, customs officers have never been very exacting about the >>>>> matter. >>>>> >>>>> For many years quite a number of American boats spent years on end in >>>>> Canada without being officially imported, using this loophole that >>>>> allowed the boats to remain here if "major overhaul" and other large >>>>> shipyard related jobs were being done to them. The intention of this >>>>> rule was to allow shipyards to bid on large projects without having to >>>>> worry about import duties if the job stretched out beyond 12 months. >>>>> Legitimate large repairs can be extended beyond 12 months, up to as long >>>>> as four years (48 months) if required, and permission for the >>>>> extension(s) is granted. >>>>> >>>>> This loophole was being abused as many of these boats were really just >>>>> having light seasonal maintenance done. Henry Fuller made a public issue >>>>> of it back in the fall of 2013 and so drew the attention of the >>>>> government agency tasked with enforcing the law, forcing their hand so >>>>> enforcement increased as a result. >>>>> >>>>> Some coverage of Henry's complaints are here: >>>>> https://www.oceannavigator.com/bad-news-from-baddeck/ >>>>> >>>>> Here is another view: >>>>> https://contrarian.ca/2013/09/06/how-the-feds-are-killing-a-77-year-old-cape-breton-business/ >>>>> >>>>> Here is a link to the actual rules and information for travellers (note >>>>> the wording on that page has not needed to been changed since 2014): >>>>> https://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/travel-voyage/fv-be/menu-eng.html >>>>> >>>>> Information about the length of time permitted for repairs are here: >>>>> https://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/travel-voyage/fv-be/importation-eng.html >>>>> >>>>> The actual letter of the law here: >>>>> https://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/publications/dm-md/d2/d2-1-1-eng.html >>>>> https://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/publications/dm-md/d2/d2-2-3-eng.html >>>>> https://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/publications/dm-md/d8/d8-1-1-eng.html >>>>> >>>>> Ken H. >>>>> >>> >>> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with >>> the costs involved. 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