Yes. This hydraulic backstay episode has caused me to think in detail about the backstay reliability and options if failure occurs while under sail. I was also able to see what happens when the hydraulic backstay fully extends -- not a pretty sight. Even on the hard I was lucky nothing got damaged, other than an oil-stained winter canvas. I now have NavTec backstay turnbuckle hardware sold to me used by Torresen's that I will use during winter storage of the SailTec. And, due to the sudden failure, I have another setup that can serve in emergency, if I get a chance to rig it, while sailing.
Jeff L. ________________________________ From: Riley Anderson <svfreighttr...@gmail.com> Sent: Monday, April 19, 2021 10:38 AM To: Stus-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: Jeffrey A. Laman <jlam...@outlook.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List Re: Navtec Hydraulic backstay adjuster, soon to be free Thanks for your comment, Jeff. I agree that adjuster failure at sea would be suboptimal (putting it lightly). This is partly why I've opted to get rid of mine entirely. Nothing really beats the reliability of a turnbuckle. My boat doesn't race so a static backstay with no moving parts, seals, UV susceptible components seems like the safest way to go. On Mon, Apr 19, 2021 at 10:31 AM Jeffrey A. Laman via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: Hi all -- I have been following this integral hydraulic backstay adjuster discussion with interest as my NavTec - 10 just gave up and leaked all its fluid about a month ago. My adjuster is a "Series 6" according to NavTec, manufactured in the early 80s. NavTec does not make the seal kit anymore and after speaking with 3 reputable marinas, I determined it was time to replace the adjuster. As I understand from the previous owner and another captain familiar with my boat's history (this is my 4th summer owning the boat and 11th sailing on the boat), the NavTec - 10 seals were replaced by a local tractor repair shop, maybe 10 years ago. The seals have been slow leaking for about 5 years of the 10. So, my experience with the tractor repair approach is not good. NavTec (biased), SailTec (not biased) and both reputable marinas (a little biased, but not much) told me that repairing at a local tractor repair is a big mistake -- they do not know how to do it correctly even if they claim they do. Torresen's in Muskegon had the adjuster for about a week and would have repaired for $400 by trained technicians -- not a bad price for this level of repair. I only offer this story as a caution to others -- be very careful what you do and who you hire for rebuilding. If my adjuster had failed while in use, it would have been a pure disaster and I am very glad it happened on the hard this spring. My new SailTec- 10 arrived this morning and I am very happy to have a new adjuster, in spite of blowing most of my 2021 boat budget before the season even starts. So, a question -- do any of the listers know where one can still purchase the seal kit for a series 6 Navtec - 10? Jeff Laman 1981 C&C34 "Harmony" Ludington, MI ________________________________ From: Gary Newton via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> Sent: Monday, April 19, 2021 8:35 AM To: Stus-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> Cc: Gary Newton <ghnewt...@gmail.com<mailto:ghnewt...@gmail.com>> Subject: Stus-List Re: Navtec Hydraulic backstay adjuster, soon to be free Has anyone rebuilt a Sailtec hydraulic backstay adjuster? I have one that was on my 1987 35 mkIII. It is a -10 Standard. Sent from my iPad On Apr 17, 2021, at 5:26 PM, Rick Brass via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: As Charlie points out, just about any hydraulics shop (and most farm implement, forklift, or construction machinery dealers) can rebuild a Navtec backstay adjuster. And based on 22 years in the forklift business, $260 would be at the high end of what I would estimate for the cost, depending on your cylinder. After all, it is just a small hydraulic cylinder, and maybe some make on demand hoses and a relatively low pressure pump. Hydraulics shop would be the best starting point because the job would be too small for most dealers, and it would take time. Rick Brass Washington, NC From: cenelson via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>] Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 6:06 PM To: Stus-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> Cc: cenelson <cenel...@aol.com<mailto:cenel...@aol.com>> Subject: Stus-List Re: Navtec Hydraulic backstay adjuster, soon to be free I had mine rebuilt at a local hydraulic shop (lots of farmer implements use hydraulics) about 8 yrs ago for $260. Still no leaks—! Charlie Nelson Sent from the all new AOL app for iOS<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fapps.apple.com%2Fus%2Fapp%2Faol-news-email-weather-video%2Fid646100661&data=04%7C01%7C%7Cb76759a349fa408f7b2508d90340e19f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637544399455185639%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=%2FAEer7UaNnjX4wYtEe7NEYhwKTDuZi5v3QwBkMTpP9k%3D&reserved=0> On Thursday, April 15, 2021, 5:54 PM, Riley Anderson via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: Hello all, I'm getting rid of my Navtec backstay adjuster, it needs a rebuild ($620 from Navtec). I put it on eBay for cheap, but I'm only going to leave the listing up for a month. If it doesn't sell in that time, consider it free to any lister who wants it. My guess is shipping should be about $30-40. The model number is IA7-10, pulled it from my 1976 38-ii. Navtec says these are from 1989-1999. Here is the link to the listing if you just can't wait.<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Febay.us%2FI6lSrO%3FcmpnId%3D5338273189&data=04%7C01%7C%7Cb76759a349fa408f7b2508d90340e19f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637544399455185639%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=oixrRxv6FqBVIO2ARukQg1G9DDIIhDbfFsx9bNkqo4k%3D&reserved=0> Photos are on the listing. -- Fair winds and following seas, Charlotte Freeland & Riley Anderson SV Freight Train Middletown, CT USA Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the costs involved. 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