Good strategy to get something before paying for a survey. Then when surveys come back you be able to negotiate further.
Fred Hazzard On Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at 4:20 PM bwhitmore via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > While I agree with, and respect Josh, having done the steering work on > our 37/40+ with similar but not as bad a problem, plan on a minimum of 3 > days work to pull & replace the idler plate. Given your comments about the > condition, you need to plan on a bunch of other issues you can't see as of > now. Get a GOOD surveyor, but weigh the cost of the survey compared to > your price point in both time and effort to get it into the condition > you'll want and need. You might even run the issues past the owner now, > saying "Realistically, x, y, and z need repair, and that alone totals > $xx,xxx. Will you be willing to take that and more off to get it back to a > boat worth $yy,yyy? If not, walk away before even getting the survey. > > > > Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Josh Muckley via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Date: 2/25/20 2:20 PM (GMT-06:00) > To: C&C List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Cc: Josh Muckley <muckl...@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: Stus-List 34+ Idler Pulleys and Cabin Top Compression > > The original carbon steel idler is no longer available from edson. You'd > have to make modifications to the deck in order to replace. I thought I > remembered the idler being ~$400. Maybe I'm mistaken. The replacement > cables are ~$100. The work isn't that hard but it is a little bit of a > PITA. > > The window delamination would not seriously concern me. > > The engine water flow shouldn't be too hard to overcome. Sometimes an old > impeller just takes on a set and fails to prime itself. > > The sails are gonna set you back ~$3500 to $5000 each to replace. > > Upholstery is gonna be expensive. $5k to $10k > > If it's the boat you want and you can get a discount then I really haven't > heard too much that would discourage me. I'm a risk taker and a > DIYer....so YMMV. > > Josh Muckley > S/V Sea Hawk > 1989 C&C 37+ > Solomons, MD > > > > On Mon, Feb 24, 2020, 17:52 Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > >> List, >> We looked at a 1990 34+ this weekend and I could use your input on two >> items that were most concerning. The boat was much more of a project boat >> than we anticipated unfortunately. We hoped to get out for a sail, but it's >> not leaving the slip before some work is done. So obvious issues are below >> and photos here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/V5YhFQzmjZwnCytf6 >> >> 1. *Heavy Rusting at base of the steering pedestal*: When I first got >> on board and noticed the steering was quite stiff and a bit 'grinding.' I >> thought the steering column lock was on. However, since the idler pulleys >> and quadrant are above the deck on the 34+ it was easy to see a pile of >> large and significant flakes of rust at the base of the pedestal where the >> cables run aft to the quadrant. This was visible after the quadrant cover >> that is part of the cockpit sole was lifted. The cables were also not even >> seated on the quadrant or the pulleys and were grinding on the gel coat. I >> have since determined that this rust must have been from the idler plate. >> The cables were also shot as you might expect, with broken strands. This >> appears to be about $700 or so in materials for cables and a new idle >> plates and pulleys. Question is, how difficult is this to address? I will >> say, that the fact that the steering cable was not even on the quadrant or >> pulleys gave me pause about the truthfulness of the owner. We had >> corresponded and talked about going out for a test sail and we drove quite >> a bit to go see the boat. If the cables were off my quadrant I am pretty >> darn sure I would notice. There was no way to turn the rudder so how would >> a test sail have been possible? >> 2. *Core delamination at port light: *Another item that gave me pause >> was a split/de-laminated core at the forward portion of the fixed port >> light. It felt dry, but I could make it compress/decompress with very >> little effort. I was told it was due to the boat being lifted in the wrong >> area by the yard. I suppose this could have been true given that the area >> was about 3-4 aft of the forward bulkhead, where the sling should have >> been. (Again, as an owner, I clearly flag on the lifelines where the >> bulkheads are for the lift operator given that my C&C owner's manual on my >> Rob Ball 30-2 instructs that the slings should be placed there.) So, what >> is your take on this damage? Is it not a big deal or sign of potentially >> larger demons? >> >> Other items: >> >> - No cooling water when the engine started and ran. The strainer was >> cleared and the through hull was open so my assumption is that the vanes >> on >> the impeller are either loose inside the water pump or have already >> migrated into the heat exchanger. I have not had to fix this issue before. >> Major PITA? Expensive? >> - Leaks. There were a number of leaks in the cabin top where the tell >> tale drip of rotten core was showing. I am willing to understand a certain >> amount of this in a 30 y.o. boat, but there may be too much. >> - Upholstery was shot. The video showed some ok looking upholstery, >> but it was much worse in real life. It was worn and stained in a number of >> places and I wondered if the foam was salvagable. What do you think a >> re-uphosltery job would cost on a 34+? >> - Original Mainsail - A 30 y.o. mainsail is not going to flatten or >> point well. When I took the sail cover off there was a small football >> sized >> bees nest attached to the folds in the mainsail. About how much for a new >> mainsail on a 34+ with full battens and 3 reefs? >> - Jib - Looked older, but I was told it was only sailed 1/2 dozen >> times and was 6-8 years old. I was not able to unfurl it all the way given >> the wind and being stuck in the slip. There was minor mildew spotting near >> the leach and the UV cover looked a bit tired. >> >> There was a bunch of old sailing junk and personal items on board so I >> was unable to get a good look in the cabinets and under berths since stuff >> was piled on them. In general the boat is not in sellable condition, but I >> want to use the experience to educate myself on these issues. Here is a >> link to some photos. I am keeping the location and boat name private since >> the owner says he is selling it. >> Thanks everybody. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each >> and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - >> use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray >> >> _______________________________________________ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each > and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - > use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > >
_______________________________________________ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
