Does anyone know who would have made the mast and boom for my ‘76 C&C 33?  TIA. 
BLHicksonFlight Risk 33-1Chas., SC


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Today's Topics:

  1. Re:  Water freezing characteristic (Josh Muckley)
  2. Re:  Compass (Josh Muckley)
  3. Re:  Compass (Matthew L. Wolford)
  4. Re:  Compass (Matthew L. Wolford)
  5. Re:  Compass (Della Barba, Joe)
  6. Re:  Compass (Dreuge)


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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2019 09:38:53 -0500
From: Josh Muckley <muckl...@gmail.com>
To: "C&C List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Water freezing characteristic
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For anyone who is curious about the thermodynamic properties of water.
https://images.app.goo.gl/vRbfXaeYY1aXb3Zz8

Josh




On Mon, Nov 4, 2019, 9:08 AM CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Josh,
>
> Saw your comment about water.  I was taught that water freezes at 32
> degrees but goes through a morph around 26 degrees where it expands
> dramatically in a one time shock event.  That's when water pipes burst.
> The expansion is a shock load to copper pipes which will fish mouth open at
> a weak spot, usually in the sidewall of tubing, rarely in a fitting.  Steel
> pipes behave differently usually pushing out a weaker cast fitting.  My
> understanding is that as the temperature lowers, the ice does not expand
> any further.  Is that about right or is there more to it?
>
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Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2019 09:45:07 -0500
From: Josh Muckley <muckl...@gmail.com>
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Now the seals are a little bit different story.  They could contract in
accordance with the normally expected properties of other normal
substances.  Naturally this could cause leaks.  I was thinking that the
fear was frozen liquid expanding, causing a cracked lens.

Josh


On Mon, Nov 4, 2019, 9:35 AM Robert Abbott via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> In 2006, my boat was trucked from Wisconsin.  After launch, I noticed the
> Ritchie compass was not reacting normally (slow to adjust to changes in
> direction).  Took it to have it checked out.  Repair guy took it apart and
> replaced a broken spring (he said, I really don't know what he did) and he
> refilled with mineral oil.  Compass has worked fine since.
>
> He advised to remove the compass during winter layup as the freezing temps
> here could possibly damage the seals.  I have not removed the compass
> during the winter and so far there does not  appear to be any adverse
> issue(s).  I felt removing the compass provided more chances of a mishap
> (like me dropping it to the ground) than leaving it on the boat.  Since
> most, if not all, of my boats neighbors did not remove them, neither would
> I.
>
> I read somewhere that the freezing temp of mineral was 24F or -4C (it
> contracts, not expands) and our temps get well below that
>
> Rob Abbott
>> AZURA
>> C&C 32 - 84
>> Halifax, N.S.
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Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2019 09:46:20 -0500
From: "Matthew L. Wolford" <wolf...@erie.net>
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I also remove my large hatch cover (32? x 32?).  After replacing the lens a few 
years ago, we had a stretch of ?15 F temperatures for two or three days, and 
the aluminum contracted so much that the lens was pushed out.  It settled back 
in when the temperature rose, but the seal was shot.

From: Robert Abbott via CnC-List 
Sent: Monday, November 04, 2019 9:34 AM
To: cnc-list 
Cc: Robert Abbott 
Subject: Stus-List Compass

In 2006, my boat was trucked from Wisconsin.  After launch, I noticed the 
Ritchie compass was not reacting normally (slow to adjust to changes in 
direction).  Took it to have it checked out.  Repair guy took it apart and 
replaced a broken spring (he said, I really don't know what he did) and he 
refilled with mineral oil.  Compass has worked fine since.

He advised to remove the compass during winter layup as the freezing temps here 
could possibly damage the seals.  I have not removed the compass during the 
winter and so far there does not  appear to be any adverse issue(s).  I felt 
removing the compass provided more chances of a mishap (like me dropping it to 
the ground) than leaving it on the boat.  Since most, if not all, of my boats 
neighbors did not remove them, neither would I.

I read somewhere that the freezing temp of mineral was 24F or -4C (it 
contracts, not expands) and our temps get well below that

    Rob Abbott
    AZURA
    C&C 32 - 84
    Halifax, N.S.








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Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2019 09:49:22 -0500
From: "Matthew L. Wolford" <wolf...@erie.net>
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I failed to note that the Viking repair person also commented that the seal 
failed on my 34 compass due to the cold temperature.

From: Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
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Cc: Josh Muckley 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Compass

Now the seals are a little bit different story.  They could contract in 
accordance with the normally expected properties of other normal substances.  
Naturally this could cause leaks.  I was thinking that the fear was frozen 
liquid expanding, causing a cracked lens. 

Josh 



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Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2019 15:03:29 +0000
From: "Della Barba, Joe" <joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov>
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You need to move over to my side ? we haven?t even got close to freezing on the 
Shore.
Anyway, my 1973 compass has NEVER been stored inside or removed and generations 
of airplanes sit outside all winter and their compasses don?t freeze either.
The coldest weather I have actually sailed in was about 18-19 degrees F and the 
compass worked well. The skipper???.not so much unless hot cider was supplied. 
I have flown cold soaked airplanes that sat outside all night in below 0 
weather and while some of the instruments were sluggish at first, the mag 
compass worked fine.


Joe Della Barba
Coquina
C&C 35 MK I



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Here in Maryland we are getting below freezing nights already.  In the 7 years 
I've owned the boat I have not removed the compass during winter.

The compass is filled with mineral oil.  Remember that water is defies the 
natural laws of thermodynamics in that it gets progressively less dense as its 
temperature departs from 4?C.  Most substances (oil) actually shrink as they 
get colder.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD
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Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2019 11:12:53 -0500
From: Dreuge <dre...@gmail.com>
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Yikes!  As a physicist, I just have to cry out and say that this statement is 
wrong. 

Yes, water is unique in that it expands as it changes phase from liquid to 
solid.  
But the expansion occurs because of the laws of thermodynamics not despite it. 


-
Paul E.
1981 C&C Landfall 38 
S/V Johanna Rose
Fort Walton Beach, FL

http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/

> On Nov 4, 2019, at 9:35 AM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:
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> Remember that water is defies the
> natural laws of thermodynamics in that it gets progressively less dense as
> its temperature departs from 4?C.  Most substances (oil) actually shrink as
> they get colder.

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