In the mostly light airs of the NC Pamlico Sound (and probably the Chesapeake), I have little experience with reefing. OTOH, I do have a single reef point in my main sail and a single line reefing system via a reefing line led to a cabin top winch through a rope clutch. It goes thru the boom directly, no purchase system for it in the boom. I never liked that the aft cringle in the main for the reef was originally rigged straight to the aft boom end at a non-zero angle to the boom--was always afraid I would rip the cringle out if I used a winch on the reef line plus it did not look correct. Got rid of the problem by mounting another a pair of bales on the opposite sides of the boom slightly aft of the aft cringle so that when it was pulled down (mostly), I could get most of the reefed sail's new 'foot' down to the boom. This has worked the few times I have needed it plus the resulting reefed main has a reasonable and flat shape near the boom. Charlie NelsonWater Phantom1995 C&C 36 XL/kcb. -----Original Message----- From: Josh Muckley via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> To: C&C List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: Josh Muckley <muckl...@gmail.com> Sent: Wed, Jun 19, 2019 4:01 pm Subject: Re: Stus-List Heavy weather sail trim
Randy, I agree with Bill. I've never heard of anyone using both rings. Years ago I too used to picture the rings coming down around both sides of the pack and hooking on each side. As such, even after realizing that only one ring was possible I would still reserve the port ring for the port hook and vice versa. I described my difficulties with my sail maker and he said, "You're doing it wrong. Have to tried crossing? You know the port ring to the stbd horn?" I was dumbfounded by the nonchalant nature and simplicity of the answer. Low and behold the next reef was so much easier and cleaner looking. David, I find that pulling in the reefing line while simultaneously lowering the halyard, combined with the helm maintaining the luffing of the sail, ensures that the sail doesn't ever have an opportunity to spill on the deck or foul in the lazy jacks. Since my lines are led aft I have to run forward momentarily to hook the ring. Taking up the reefing line early has given better luck keeping the sail from flogging the ring off the horn while I'm transitioning back from the mast to the cockpit. For anyone with halyards at the mast this is probably not as valuable. Even less valuable if the reef is at a different location than the halyard. Shawn, I have a purchase system buried in my boom for the outhaul and the 1st reef. Any type of single line reefing system will not work with this setup since the cringle will not pull with the same ratio as the clew. I've also heard of added complications keeping mainsail foot tension since the with most single line systems the cringle is kind of allowed to "float" fore and aft. Additionally the added friction of a single line system can make shaking out the reef a little bit more challenging. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 C&C 37+Solomons, MD On Wed, Jun 19, 2019, 2:34 PM Bill Coleman via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: Randy, I believe you are only supposed to use one ring at atime. Depends on which tack you are on. Pretty simple fix, as you noted, justneed a little 1” webbing. I have some if you need it. Bill ColemanErie PAFrom: CnC-List[mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Randy Stafford viaCnC-List Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 12:08 PM To: cnc-list Cc: Randy Stafford Subject: Re: Stus-List Heavy weather sail trim I bought a new mainsail last year with two reef pointsincluding dogbones in the cringles. And I bought a gooseneck pin withram's horns. Problem is the dogbones aren’t long enough, so I can onlyhook one ring, and I have to remove the sail stop to let a slug out of thetrack to do so. Easily fixed by my local sail repair guy after propermeasurement, but just a PITA. Using the Cunningham with strong tackle /deck hardware seems like an efficient alternative. My Cunningham just hasa cheek block and jam cleat on the mast - I’d prefer something beefier forreefing. Cheers,Randy StaffordS/V GrenadineC&C 30-1 #7Ken Caryl, CO On Jun 19, 2019, at 8:13 AM, David Knecht via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: I have a slightly different system for reefing. I havea 4-1 downhaul with a stainless hook for attachment to the cringle and led backto the cockpit stopper. I have the main halyard premarked for a heightthat allows me to move the hook from the normal downhaul position to the reefpoint cringle. So I drop the main to the designated spot, move thehook, tighten the main halyard, then the downhaul, then the leech reefing lineand ready to go. The position of the main halyard is much less criticalwith the hook because it does not tend to fall off the cringle like the dogbone rings fall off the horns. With lazy jacks and a Mack Pack, I don’tbother to tie the main around the boom. It is not much different in timeand effort than attaching the dog bones to the horn, but since my main did notcome with dog bones, this was a simple alternative. Dave On Jun 19, 2019, at 9:54 AM, Shawn Wright via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: Thanks, John, for this excellent write up of reefing - veryhelpful. Although we did go through reefing several times on our recent ISPAcourse, the boat was rigged a bit differently, and we also had a crew of 5, sothings were much easier. The instructor's boat (a Formosa 43) used somethingsimilar to dog bones - just short pieces of rope - but they were veryeffective. He also added a rope wrapped around the mast and through the reefingcringle after the reef was in, and this is what I did when I had to reef onMonday. It seemed to work well, so I will measure space needed to clear thesail folds/slugs and make a short loop of rope to stay in the cringle for now.I like the strap and SS ring idea even better so I will look for the right sizerings. And now is also a good time to mark the halyard since the reef is stillin place! --Shawn wrightshawngwri...@gmail.coms/V Callisto, 1974 C&C 35https://www.facebook.com/SVCallisto On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 3:46 PM Josh Muckley via CnC-List<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: If you stay around the list long enough you'll hear peoplerefer to "dog bones" in the reef cringles. They are shortpieces nylon webbing passing through the sail grommet at each of the reefpoints along the sail luff. On each end is a SS ring. The ringskeep the dog bones captive. The length of the bones is designed so as toaccommodate the stack height of the sail slugs in the mast - shorter bone forthe first reef and progressively lo ger for the second and third. A sailmaker can make the bones for you the next time the sail is in forservice. Alternatively you can make them yourself out of some amsteel orother small stuff. If you have a cunningham you can even arrange them sothat one ring hooks on the horn and the other is positioned to be hooked by thecunningham. When going for the reef I've found it very effective to turnoff the wind but not down wind. Maybe 60° to 90°. Release thetraveler all the way so that the main luffs straight back in line with theboom. Simultaneously ease the halyard and take in the reefing line. It helps to have the halyard premarked so you know that you have lowered itenough. Once down, hook the dog bone. Harden the halyard and thenthe reef line. Remember to ease the mainsheet and vang too so that theboom can rise up to the new clew. Once it is all hardened up then you canlash the sail as needed and come back up to the wind. 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