IMHO in this depressed market for boats, I would get a 30 if there is any chance that would be the boat you would end up with anyway. Size vs. use is different for different people. I cannot see how I would use my boat more if she was 5 or 10 feet shorter or use her less if she was 5 or 10 feet longer. I still have to untie all the dock lines, motor out of the marina, set a sail or two, douse a sail or two, motor back in, and tie up the docklines. What happens to bigger boats is you get more stuff and want to keep all that stuff working. Most 26 foot boat owners are not spending the day fixing the AIS feed to the plotter and adding ground radials to the SSB. You don’t HAVE to have that stuff on a bigger boat either, but usually you do add more things to fill all the new space you have. Well maybe I was wrong after all, if there are X sailing hours a year I spend a subset of X fixing things a 25 foot boat just wouldn’t have. Here is a big division: Outboard vs. Inboard. Outboards are put in the trunk and taken to the shop to be fixed or heaved in the dumpster and replaced when they don’t work. Inboards, not so much, usually much more $$$ to fix or replace. New engine and shop rate to install is usually more than the boat is worth. Sails are another division. Sails seem to go up more like X squared than X. Big boat sails can get expensive! 30 is still on the good side of this though. Joe Coquina C&C 35 MK I
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Chris Graham via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2018 10:02 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Chris Graham Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Stus-List C&C 26' or 27'? But boy you guys are good!!! Lol And I do appreciate the suggestions and comments. I tend to overthink and over reaserch sometimes but have always found it helpful to get multiple view points... particularly from the source. It’s great to have such an active, knowledgeable, and supportive group here! I know, regardless of my decision, I have a great resource here on the forum. Chris Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone<https://yho.com/footer0> On Thursday, October 11, 2018, 9:32 AM, Richard Bush via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: I second David's comments; when I bought my first C&C, (1982 25 II); it never dawned on me that I would be trading up; however, there is a growth curve that happens once you get on the boat and learn how it functions and how to use the boat; After having the boat for several years, I was on a friend's larger boat (a J-29), and I remember thinking (to myself)...I can handle this! Thus began a progression similar to many on this list: (all C&C's); 25; 29, 33 and currently, a 37: Richard s/v Bushmark4; 1985 C&C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 600: Richard N. Bush 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 502-584-7255<tel:502-584-7255> -----Original Message----- From: David via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: David <davidrisc...@msn.com> Sent: Thu, Oct 11, 2018 9:21 am Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 26' or 27'? Whether its a 30 or 27 or 26. Have patience with looking. Someone in the next town gave away a decent 30' to a deserving family who would use and love the boat as it was by its original owner. Its not always the money. With that in mind look for the best whatever footage (me? go for the 30, you will be trading up within 5 years anyway) you can find with all the work done, sails purchased etc. and do not be afraid to have a budget that you will stick to and offer. They can only say no. But they may say yes for non-economic (emotional) reasons. Lots of boats out there and lots of eyes all over the country to help if its not local to you. David F. Risch, J. D. Gulf Stream Associates, LLC (401) 419-4650<tel:(401)%20419-4650> ________________________________ From: CnC-List <cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com> on behalf of Dave S via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2018 8:25 AM To: Chris Graham Cc: Dave S; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 26' or 27'? Agreed with Bruce - none of the boats in this range are too big to be easily handled with a small crew. IMO you are unlikely to wish you’d bought a 27 after having bought a 30. You described the condition of the 27 in some detail and it clearly needs a lot of work. There are tons of tired boats out there, be patient. There will be another one tomorrow.... be prepared to pay more for a very well maintained boat - someone else’s labour of love. (Money pit) Other thing is to make a list of the ‘must have’ equipment and be disciplined about that too. The cost of repair and outfitting a tired 27 will can quickly exceed its acquisition cost. My $.02.... Dave Sent from my iPhone On Oct 11, 2018, at 8:10 AM, Chris Graham <sabre28...@yahoo.com<mailto:sabre28...@yahoo.com>> wrote: Thanks Bruce! I’m going to be single handing 90% of the time, and storage, mooring costs, sail replacement, etc...is another reason why I’m trying to keep the length down. I do understand the 30’ is a superior boat on many levels. I think I’m committed to a smaller size though I may be convinced otherwise if something were to present itself. :) You nailed the price of both boats. The 26’ has cosmetic issues but can be dropped in the water tomorrow and sailed away. Just trying to look down the road and make the right choice. Beautiful pacific seacraft 25’ at triple the coast but a beautiful bait with classic lines, double ender... but I want to keep costs down! :) Chris Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone<https://yho.com/footer0> On Thursday, October 11, 2018, 7:57 AM, bwhitmore via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: I had a 1977 C&C 27 MK III for 15 years on Lake Michigan. The nice thing about the MK III was that it had a taller rig than the one you'relooking at, which made her a great light air performer, generally hitting hull speed of 6.4 in about 9 kts pf wind, and which would commonly sustain 7 knots. I would be less optimistic about the MK II, and I sold mine for 8K in 2015, albeit to a friend in very good condition. It was in very good shape but also did not have roller furling. Given the work you're talking about, she ought to be $2,500 or even less. Now having a bigger boat and the affordability of older boats, I too would recommend looking at a bigger one, or at least holding out for one in much better condition. Just my $.02 worth, Bruce Whitmore Sent from Samsung tablet _______________________________________________ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray [https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-tick-round-orange-animated-no-repeat-v1.gif]<https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=icon> Virus-free. www.avast.com<https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=link> _______________________________________________ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. 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