Good morning,
Is it safe to sate that the main mast damage is from the screws ripping out of the mast itself?
From the pictures it seems that the mast was horizontal on the transport trailer and the spreader took a shot that pushed it back, parallel to the direction of the mast?
Makes sense though i woul have imagined that the mast itself would have moved/slid when contact was made.
Regardless, the damage is there.
To my eye, the damage is not that severe. It would seem that with some metal work you can flatten out the tear out section from the screws.
Even the spreader base could be flattened out, though there may be a slight bit of weakness since once you bend metal, it is not as strong.
Just blue skying some thoughts..... You could:
Make a new plate of 1/4 inch aluminum, needs to be a marine grade that can act as a stiffener to the existing or make a new spreader base. If you strengthen the base, you would need to reduce the spreader by the same thickness.
As you mentioned, enlarge the holes if feasible to retap the mast.
Press out the old one and re-use it
I don?t think it is catastrophic, but a professional opinion may be in order to keep yourself comfortable.
Thinking on what the impact is.....
The spreaders work in compression with the shrouds, mostly with some vertical load on the base plate so the shroud load should be pulling down/compressing the mast and with the tension also provide a lateral force against the mast to prevent it from bending side to side so the screws really just pin it in place.
Seek an opinion from the yard or a metal shop that works with aluminum/stainless.
I would think the hauler owes you the cost of the repair.
Years ago i had to replace my spreader on my C&C 29, it had a vertical bend, tip up. Had it done by a local welder who worked with aluminum extrusion. We are a bit far from your location but all the same, your yard may know someone.
Regards,
Bob T
C&C 37+
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Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2018 23:28:08 +0000
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Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 30 - Cowl vent flexible part
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That's an awesome idea!!
Tom Power<http://aka.ms/weboutlook>
Invictus
C&C 30 MK1
Fredericton, NB
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Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 30 - Cowl vent flexible part
I made mine out of 4" white sewar pipe because my crew kept punting them overboard. Oddly enough, since I've
replaced them, I have only had to replace 1 of the vents since (2 years now)...whereas when I was purchasing the rather expensive
vents, it was 2 or 3 a year.
Cheers,
Jeff Nelson
Muir Caileag
C&C 30
Armdale Y.C.
On Sep 22, 2018, at 3:33 PM, Ronald B. Frerker via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-l...@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Where did you get the flexible cowl only? I only found the whole item and not the lost part. I lost the two at the stern as well.
Ron
Wild Cheri
C&C 30-1
STL
On Thursday, September 13, 2018, 10:28:23 AM CDT, Randy Stafford via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-l...@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
And, like Gary said, that cowl vent gets in the way. Mine popped off and went overboard in some chaotic moment in a race this year, and I had to get a replacement. Plus I?m always worried those anchor hangers are going to tear a sail, but so far so good.
Cheers,
Randy Stafford
S/V Grenadine
C&C 30-1 #7
Ken Caryl, CO
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Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2018 21:58:24 -0300
From: Ken Heaton <kenhea...@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Stus-List Emergency Tiller Question
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I used to sail on a 35 Mk.1 that used a tiller pilot as an auto pilot so
we'd fit the emergency tiller then, to use the tiller pilot. It wasn't too
bad to steer the boat the the emergency tiller, even with the wheel still
connected. It would be hard work if yo had to do it for hours I'd think.
Tried the emergency tiller on our 37/40 as an experiment with the wheel off
the wheel shaft but the steering cable still connected and in operation. I
does work but that would be even harder work if it was very windy or the
seas were rough. There isn't anything to positively retain the emergency
tiller into the top of the rudder shaft so I could see it popping out
occasionally in a following sea when swinging it back and forth quite a bit.
Ken H.
On Mon, 24 Sep 2018 at 16:48, Dennis C. via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
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> Um, no.
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> Dry fit it years ago when I first bought the boat. Been stored on clips
> in the starboard lazarette with an appropriately sized wrench strapped to
> it ever since.
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> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
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>> Rudder talk got me wondering ? does anyone ever sail with their tiller?
>>
>> The 35 MK I is one of the very few wheel steered boats where the
>> emergency tiller is actually a viable way to steer the boat. I used to use
>> it to steer from under the dodger in the rain until I got an autopilot. It
>> is a bit awkward, it should be about 1 foot longer and hinged, but beats
>> the heck out of most I have seen.
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Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2018 21:40:16 -0400
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Subject: Re: Stus-List Cutlass bearing
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Gerry,
The shaft will not clear the rudder. I drop the rudder to replace the cutless bearing. The process takes me about half an hour to remove the rudder. I?ve done it three times over the years. I use anti-seize on the quadrant bolts. It makes a huge difference.
I dd it again this spring. When I was launching, the yard mentioned that they have the special tool to replace the bearing with the shaft in place. NOW THEY TELL ME!!!!
The special tool does work, if you can find one to borrow. It will save you time.
Jake
Jake Brodersen
C&C 35 Mk-III ?Midnight Mistress?
Bavaria 44
Hampton VA
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Subject: Stus-List Cutlass bearing
Looking to replace the cutlass bearing
on my 1985 35 mk3.
Any info would be helpful.
Does the rudder have to be removed or will the shaft slide by it?
Is there a special tool for removing it without removing the shaft?
Thanks
Gerry Fennessey
Fianna
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Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2018 22:52:06 -0600
From: Randy Stafford <randal.staff...@icloud.com>
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Listers I am in need of your wisdom.
My boat is hauled for the offseason, and I dropped the mast again to facilitate towing the boat somewhere for painting.
Yesterday I discovered damage to the mast and starboard spreader bracket. I suspect the damage occurred when the boat was being towed to the gin pole to take the rig down - the rig was towed through some non-trivial tree branches on the starboard side, resulting in substantial tree trimmings on the boat and on the ground.
Supporting that theory, the spreader bracket and mast show damage consistent with a head-on force levering the spreader aft - the spreader bracket plate is bent outboard on the aft side, and the mast has an indentation at the aft edge of the spreader bracket plate. Also the screw holes in the mast for the forward part of the spreader bracket plate are pulled out (that?s how I first noticed the damage - those two screws were pulled out).
I?ve put pictures at https://drive.google.com/open?id=1FI3QhFi82jrSOzQtpJ-9Z54XK3lHvlIr <https://drive.google.com/open?id= 1FI3QhFi82jrSOzQtpJ-9Z54XK3lHvlIr>.
IMG_0227.jpg is of the mast where the starboard spreader bracket fastens. The mast is laying horizontally with the forward edge up, and the picture is taken from ?below? looking ?aloft?.
IMG_0234.jpg is looking at the aft side of the starboard spreader bracket, laying on its plate on my workbench.
IMG_0237.jpg is looking at the bracket plate from above, with the tang down.
IMG_0238.jpg is also looking at the bracket from ?above?, but with the plate flat (I wish) on the workbench, and the tang obscured by the tube.
In the photos of the bracket you can see the deformation of the plate.
So, my questions to you listers:
1. How catastrophic is this? Am I looking at mast replacement?
2. Thoughts on repair strategies? (esp. for the mast - I can probably get a new bracket fab?d, and can enlarge and re-tap the screw holes)
3. To make an insurance claim or not?
Note I have the port spreader bracket as a template and for fit-testing etc. It?s undamaged (as is the port side of the mast) and symmetric with the starboard bracket save for the location of the set screw hole for the spreader.
Grateful for any wisdom you can share.
Thank You,
Randy Stafford
S/V Grenadine
C&C 30-1 #7
Ken Caryl, CO
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Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2018 23:06:47 -0600 (MDT)
From: DON JONSSON <dbjons...@shaw.ca>
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Subject: Stus-List Curtains on C&C 34
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Hi All
The curtains on our 34 are getting rather old. We would like to replace the curtains without replacing the mounting hardware that holds them. This, I think, means getting the right slides to sew onto the head and foot of the curtains.
Has anyone experience with this? Where did you get the slides?
I've attached some pictures.
Thanks
Don
Andante, C&C 34
Victoria, BC
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1VMPIP5ZCwZatb4YAFlD7quzUsID9BwfD/ view?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/19GAIeKoUFxDPdgoXlTE0yD-HvxvImA3Y/ view?usp=sharing
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