Just checked shroud position and found uppers forward, intermediates middle, lowers aft on our 33 II. Hope this helps.
Gord Tidmarsh > On Aug 3, 2018, at 14:43, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote: > > Send CnC-List mailing list submissions to > cnc-list@cnc-list.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > cnc-list-ow...@cnc-list.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of CnC-List digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Shrouds to chainplate order, C&C 33-2? (Adrian Humphreys) > 2. 37+ Backstay tension (Tom Buscaglia) > 3. Oil drops in coolant (PETER OCAMPO) > 4. Re: Oil drops in coolant (Bill Dakin) > 5. Re: 37+ Backstay tension (Josh Muckley) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2018 14:03:05 -0400 > From: Adrian Humphreys <adri...@telamontech.com> > To: Robert Boyer via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Subject: Stus-List Shrouds to chainplate order, C&C 33-2? > Message-ID: <75e81c75-63be-4075-828f-585c35a44...@telamontech.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > We will be rigging our (new to us) 33 mk-2 for the first time next week. > > The chain plates are pads (about 4" x 4") on deck with three "slots" for the > shrouds. A single horizontal fore-and-aft pin ties the shrouds to the plate. > > Question: > What's the correct fore-and-aft mounting order for the shrouds? > > I think: > * lower shroud goes in the middle, where the pin is narrowest, > * intermediate shroud goes forward, > * upper shroud goes aft. > > Thanks for your thoughts and recommendations. > > > Adrian Humphreys > Rockport, ME > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2018 11:21:39 -0700 > From: Tom Buscaglia <t...@sv-alera.com> > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject: Stus-List 37+ Backstay tension > Message-ID: > <201808031821.w73ilcjc176...@jax4mhob21.registeredsite.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed" > > Chuck > > It's a Schaefer and was installed by the PO. He > went with the BETA, which is borderline too small > for the boat. But it works. Just have to be > very careful about the thickness of the main or > it will not fit. Our new UK main barely > fits. Having a full battened main is a good > thing and so is reefing the main from the cockpit > with ease. Just roll it down on one of the > battens and you're done. Overall, I love it! > > Info here - https://www.schaefermarine.com/our-products/boom-furlers/ > > pricing here - > https://www.schaefermarine.com/our-products/boom-furlers/specifications/ > > He also installed an electric winch for the main > halyard too. To be honest, I would probably not > have done this myself...but I am sure glad he did! > > The rigid vang is a bit of a bother, as I > mentioned, as tuning the main is limited. But > rolling up the main requires a strict 87.5 degree > angle. I could probably replace the rigid vang > with an adjustable, so long as it has a way to > set and hold that angle when furling the > main. But that's pretty far down on the "list." > > Tom B > > At 10:48 AM 8/3/2018, you wrote: >> Message: 1 >> Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2018 12:16:03 -0400 >> From: Chuck Borge <chuckbo...@gmail.com> >> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com >> Subject: Re: Stus-List 37+ Backstay tension >> Message-ID: <b0136c2d-0d08-43c1-a995-5d3964249...@gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> Tom, >> Can you tell me more about your boom furler? >> Considering one for my 41. >> Brand, fitment, pix if you can... price if you?re comfortable, too >> >> Thanks, >> Chuck B >> C&C 41 >> Tenacious >> Somerset, MA > > .???`???,??,???`??????`???,??,???`???. > Tom & Lynn Buscaglia > SV Alera > C&C 37+/40 > Vashon Island WA > (206) 463-9200 > www.sv-alera.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20180803/8e5a17e1/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2018 15:10:50 -0400 > From: PETER OCAMPO <bcwwka...@gmail.com> > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject: Stus-List Oil drops in coolant > Message-ID: <275226fd-df3f-4e78-a0c4-876b35f2c...@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Westerbeke 33 w v drive > > Last year motored all 34 hours from Newport to Maine > > No power loss. No overheat stayed at 180 no white froth in the oil at oil > change in winter and when motoring only saw white smoke if high high humidity > day when I took it up river to put on the hard. And once foggy day motoring > from Marblehead fog day. No other times saw white smoke > > Changed all hoses and new coolant.this year Old coolant was dirty might have > had oil but it was brownish orange green. Vs glow green of new coolant > engine started right up no issues no hiccup this year > > Now I see some oil drops in coolant > > > Looked on line at putting in head gasket sealant ie Barr?s. For the season > then fix this winter if truest head gasket. > > Wrong or right idea. Or options > > Thanks > > Peter > C&c 40 1983 > Goonie Island > Portland Me > > Sent from my iPhone > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2018 16:01:02 -0500 > From: Bill Dakin <aussiebr...@gmail.com> > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject: Re: Stus-List Oil drops in coolant > Message-ID: > <CA+6=-QZPLTeR=j1btv4quybffeaecufoovcvbtu1xrm7idf...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > I use a service of oil condition analysis in my International 7.3 diesel. > Before trying anything, send in a sample and see what the 'brownish orange' > is. > https://www.blackstone-labs.com/marine.php > Fleet managers use oil analysis to determine the length of time between > services and to troubleshoot. They can tell you how the engine is wearing > too; bearings, rings, etc. Check the dipstick for coolant. > > Incidentally, for big boat purchases, an oil analysis is a great idea prior > to offers. > > Do you have the expertise to pull the head, replace the head gasket, then > torque to specs and then adjust the valve clearances? > > Bill Dakin > S/V Tapestry > 25-2 > > > > On Fri, Aug 3, 2018 at 2:10 PM, PETER OCAMPO via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > >> Westerbeke 33 w v drive >> >> >> Changed all hoses and new coolant.this year Old coolant was dirty might >> have had oil but it was brownish orange green. Vs glow green of new >> coolant engine started right up no issues no hiccup this year >> >> Now I see some oil drops in coolant >> >> >> Looked on line at putting in head gasket sealant ie Barr?s. For the >> season then fix this winter if truest head gasket. >> >> Wrong or right idea. Or options >> >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20180803/6f5a6422/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2018 17:28:03 -0400 > From: Josh Muckley <muckl...@gmail.com> > To: "C&C List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Subject: Re: Stus-List 37+ Backstay tension > Message-ID: > <ca+zacrbdescjt90zyjztcr5zel66kvk6hp2kmm8qxffo7x2...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Here's the data guys. It looks like there is a loose corollary (in my > case) between hydraulic psi and backstay lbs load. My hydraulic pump > relief valve is seized and appently set at ~2600 psi. So I'm safe in that > no matter how much I pump it will never exceed even 25% of the backstay > load limit. As for the transom load limit...who knows. > > https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1B6F6OQU8b7L5tVgvvWKViQHS5UVL1Srx6HV7xPKRC40/edit?usp=sharing > > Josh Muckley > S/V Sea Hawk > 1989 C&C 37+ > Solomons, MD > > > > On Fri, Aug 3, 2018 at 1:48 PM, Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > >> I'd love to see that as well Josh. >> >> Thanks! >> >> Bruce Whitmore >> >> (847) 404-5092 (mobile) >> bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Josh Muckley via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >> *To:* C&C List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >> *Cc:* Josh Muckley <muckl...@gmail.com> >> *Sent:* Friday, August 3, 2018 10:22 AM >> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List 37+ Backstay tension >> >> With that info I'll head down to my boat and apply various psi to the >> hydraulics and then measure the tension with my loos gauge. >> >> Josh >> >> On Fri, Aug 3, 2018, 10:17 AM Gary Russell via CnC-List < >> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >> >> So... I went over to Kaylarah this morning and found the following: >> >> The back stay diagonals are 235" long >> The spread between the attachments is 80" >> Doing the math, that means if the maximum tension on the vertical rod is >> 5000 lbs., then the tension on the diagonals is 2537 lbs. >> From here you can apply any safety factor you like, just maintain the >> ration of 2537 : 5000. >> Because the angle between the diagonals is so small (smaller than I >> thought), it is pretty close to 2:1. >> >> Personally, I'm going to try and keep the tension on the diagonals less >> than 2000 lbs. which keeps the upper rod below 3942 lbs. (Now where did I >> put that Loos gauge?) >> >> Gary >> S/V Kaylarah >> '90 C&C 37+ >> East Greenwich, RI, USA >> >> >> ~~~~~~~_/)~~~~~~ >> >> >> On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 9:00 PM, Gary Russell <captnga...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Actually, if you look closely at the manual, you will notice that the >> 4125 lbs. refers to "wire limit", and 5000 lbs. refers to "rod limit". >> Since the vertical part of the back stay assembly is rod, I will assume >> that the 5000 lbs. refers to the vertical. I will go over to the boat >> tomorrow and try to measure the back stay angle, to see which limit gets >> exceeded first, the rod or the wire. C&C could have made this a lot >> easier. I've got to believe the transom will fail before the wire, yet the >> wire is all that is specified. >> >> Gary >> >> ~~~~~~~_/)~~~~~~ >> >> >> On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 8:52 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List < >> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >> >> Absolutely without any doubt in my mind the backstay tension of 4125 is to >> be measured on the mainline. This works in opposition to the head stay >> which is equally sized #12 rod. >> >> Josh >> >> On Thu, Aug 2, 2018, 8:41 PM Gary Russell via CnC-List < >> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >> >> Hi Josh, >> Oops! I missed that. I looked in the chapter about rigging and >> didn't find it there. Silly me! I even searched for the number 4125 and >> found nothing. I guess the document is an image rather than text. Now the >> question, is that the tension in the vertical part of the back stay? I >> guess, the safest assumption is that it is. >> >> Gary >> >> >> ~~~~~~~_/)~~~~~~ >> >> >> On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 8:33 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List < >> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >> >> Page 68 of the manual pdf file which I linked before has the pre-load and >> max load limits. >> >> Again I am corrected in my preconceived notions regarding the correlation >> between a hydraulic gauge and the tensile load on the back stay. >> >> Josh >> >> On Thu, Aug 2, 2018, 8:13 PM Gary Russell via CnC-List < >> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >> >> Hi Josh, >> Where did you find the 4125 or 5000 lb. limit? I don't see that in >> the Owners Manual? Is the 4125 lb. limit for the lower angled segments of >> the the back stay or the upper vertical part. You can't simply measure the >> port back stay tension and multiply by two, because of the angle between >> the two. You would have to measure the angle and apply some trig to get >> the right value. Mike Cotton's boat was the one I was referring to in my >> email above. >> >> Gary >> >> ~~~~~~~_/)~~~~~~ >> >> >> On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 6:31 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List < >> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >> >> The manual says limit to 4125lbs and then says absolute max of 5000lbs. >> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8pEh5lnvP1ySXFBdDhrX0ZaMzNna >> zViYkZzRVRoODlSSUd3/view?usp=drivesdk >> >> I never considered that the hydraulic pressure psi could/would be >> independent of tensile load. When I had my hydraulic pump rebuilt by Lew >> Townsend he tried to adjust the relief valve but mine adjustment knob was >> seized. He gave up and just hydro-tested it anyway. He found that the >> relief was roughly 3500. I rarely go over 2500. Now that I have to >> consider the corollary between psi and lbs I'll be pulling out my Loose >> tension gauge and get back to you. Since it is split I'll remember to add >> together or double a single. >> >> As for the attachment to the transom, I agree it does seem slightly poor >> engineering. In fact when we were shopping around the first boat looked at >> wad named Blue Pearl and had been owned by Mike Cotton who was and may >> still be on this list. It was evident that some past event had caused the >> port aft attachment to separate the flat horizontal (cap) part of the >> fiberglass casting from the curved (body) potion. The hydraulic pump was a >> single piston and pump combo that attached between the port anchor amd the >> port side of the back stay. Evidently a sheave communicated the tension to >> the stbd size at the point where the single rod attached from the mast >> head. It seemed as though maybe the sheave didn't roll smoothly and failed >> to split the tension evenly between the port and stbd anchor on the >> transom. That of the fiberglass layup was uneven and the port side was >> just coincidentally weaker. >> >> I was attentive to this weakness when I continued shopping and found Sea >> Hawk. I discussed the issue with the PO and he showed his engineering >> answer. >> >> https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B8pEh5lnvP1ybDFIZ0ZZTU1XdHM >> >> I'm not convinced that it is "correct" but it is certainly better than >> nothing. I had decided years ago that I was going to engineer a >> reinforcement of my own with some G10 FPR. I still have the G10 but have >> never acted on the project. My idea was to back the entire corner of the >> transom with 1/2" G10 FRP by epoxying it in place and then fill the >> attachment cavity (the bump out) with epoxy. Longer u-bolts and a spade or >> mortise bit to countersink a flat load bearing "pad" for the washers and >> nuts to drive against and I would be done. >> >> Josh Muckley >> S/V Sea Hawk >> 1989 C&C 37+ >> Solomons, MD >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Aug 2, 2018, 5:53 PM Gary Russell via CnC-List < >> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >> >> Does anyone know the maximum back stay tension allowed on the C&C >> 37+. My problem is the hydraulic back stay adjuster pressure gauge has >> failed and I don't even know what the maximum pressure spec allowed is, >> anyway. I'm concerned that at least one owner has had the attachment >> points on the transom fail presumably due to excessive tension/pressure. >> Frankly, the attachment points don't instill a lot of confidence as there >> aren't any backing plate; just a couple of holes drilled in the hull. I'd >> feel more comfortable putting a Loos gauge on the wire and calibrate the >> extension of the back stay adjuster to it. Any thoughts / ideas out there? >> >> Live Slow / Sail Fast, >> Gary >> S/V Kaylarah >> '90 C&C 37+ >> East Greenwich, RI, USA >> ~~~~~~~_/)~~~~~~ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each >> and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - >> use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each >> and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - >> use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each >> and every one is greatly appreciated. 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