Bruce, I found this historical email from you last year. Based on your recent investigation I think you were experiencing a symptom of the deterioration last year. I believe you had to raise the radial drive wheel because the sheave plate was collapsing, raising the exit path of the cables from the sheaves.
Josh On Mon, Aug 28, 2017, 8:17 AM Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Hello all, > > I thought I would let you know what I found when I tracked down our > creaking/crunching sound when we turned the wheel on our 1994 C&C 37/40+. > According to the survey, the drive wheel at the rudder post had been > recently replaced. When I went and looked at the idlers and the drive > wheel, the wheel was slightly out of alignment. So, when the wheel was > moved, the cable lightly rubbed the edge of the wheel ring, and the > resulting noise was actually much worse than one would imagine. > > Once I backed off the bolts and slightly raised the drive wheel, the noise > went away. > > FYI, I also found a loose idler pulley mounting nut, and also found the > idler axles are stainless pins. > > In the end, a very easy fix. > > Thanks for insights everyone! > > Bruce Whitmore > > (847) 404-5092 (mobile) > bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > *To:* "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > *Cc:* Bruce Whitmore <bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net> > *Sent:* Sunday, August 27, 2017 9:20 AM > *Subject:* Re: Stus-List wheel squeak > > This brings up a good point - As for the cables, where would folks here > buy them? Directly from Edson (expensive) or is there a less expensive, > but still good quality alternative (say from McMaster Carr, Grainger, etc.)? > > Bruce Whitmore > > (847) 404-5092 (mobile) > bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* svpegasus38 via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > *To:* "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > *Cc:* svpegasus38 <svpegasu...@gmail.com> > *Sent:* Saturday, August 26, 2017 2:08 PM > *Subject:* Re: Stus-List wheel squeak > > Had a similar thing happen sailing to Hawaii few years ago on a 1973 > Ericson 35. 500 miles from Hilo I had a steering cable break. Dug out the > emergency tiller, and continued to sail. No anchoring here, lol. Figured > out it was almost impossible to steer a course while looking aft at the > compass, chart plotter was to slow to steer by. We hove to, changed the > cable and sailed off into the sun set, well it did take all day to get to > the sun set. Next morning at 5am the other cable broke. This time the capt > was at the helm and the seas were in the neighborhood of 20ft instead of 4 > like the day before. Hove to again changed the second cable. The owner had > changed out the cable 3 years before using hardware store wire rope. > I heard from a friend, who sailed back to Victoria, that the cables broke > again. > My thought was that he had too stuff of cable for the sheave diameter. > > > > Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device > Doug Mountjoy > POYC > Pegasus (for sale) > Lf38 > Rebecca Leah LF39 > > -------- Original message -------- > From: ahycrace via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Date: 8/25/17 20:08 (GMT-08:00) > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Cc: ahycrace <ahycr...@cox.net> > Subject: Re: Stus-List wheel squeak > > Sailing down Narragansett bay a few years ago broad reach 7kts we hear a > loud BANG and no steering. Get the sails down and anchor. We look under the > cockpit and see that the idler plate is so rusted that one of the pullys > has pulled right off. Get the emergency tiller out and attach it motor > home....a very bad day! Check that plate and all of the attached pullys. > Edson has all the replacements if needed. I have pics of the bad plate > before i took it off. I can post them when we get home we are in Newport > watching the J class boats race. > > Gary. "Liberty" 38' Mk ll > > > > Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Date: 8/24/17 10:08 AM (GMT-05:00) > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Cc: Chuck Gilchrest <csgilchr...@comcast.net> > Subject: Re: Stus-List wheel squeak > > Richard, > Make sure to use a non-petroleum based lubricant for the bearings that > support the wheel shaft (such as Superlube or other Teflon based grease). > Don’t squirt WD-40 or any light weight spray lubricant into the grease > holes as it will tend to flush any lube out of the nylon caged bearings. > You can also check to see if the bearings are worn if you can move the > wheel shaft up and down, or side to side. There should be no play in the > shaft at all.. > > Edson does sell a “pedestal rebuild kit” that includes bearings, circlips > and all the other thrust washers and replacement components for the wheel > shaft. If you go down that road, I’d also take the time to replace the > brake shoes if everything else is apart. > > The other possibility for your squeaky noise is the sheave pins (axles) > for the bronze idler wheels. They ride on plain bushings and in the “old > days” the axles were also bronze, which will wear out eventually and allow > the sheaves to go flying into the bilge under tension at the worst possible > time. If those have never been checked, replaced with stainless pins, or > lubricated as described in Edson’s steering maintenance instructions, I > would certainly do so. Once the sheave pins wear, the sheaves go out of > alignment and the squeaking you hear may be the axles getting ready to let > go. > > Finally, the Edson Idler plate at the base of the pedestal is generally > made of mild steel below the deck. Not terribly subjected to the elements, > but they can and will eventually start to rust. Once that happens, > sheaves, cable alignments and other critical steering components can be > affected, so check for a rusty idler plate as well as wobbly sheave > uprights. > > Whatever you do, don’t wait for it to fail to fix it.. Boats without > steering are not safe by any stretch of the imagination. The folks at > Edson are very good at walking you through what you need and they have data > sheets on most every C&C Steering system they sold for our boats. > Cheers, > Chuck Gilchrest > S/V Half Magic > 1983 35 Landfall > Padanaram, MA > > *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Joel > Aronson via CnC-List > *Sent:* Thursday, August 24, 2017 9:42 AM > *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com > *Cc:* Joel Aronson <joel.aron...@gmail.com> > *Subject:* Re: Stus-List wheel squeak > > Is it an Edson pedestal? If so, there are two places to squeeze in grease > under the compass. If you look on YouTube there are Edson videos on > replacing the bearings and they show the grease points. > > I just did the bearing replacement on my current boat. > > Joel > > On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 9:34 AM, Richard Walter via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > Greetings, > > The wheel on our 1978 36-footer has always squeaked to varying degrees. > Anyone found a solution to squeaky wheels? When it comes to getting grease, > I cannot locate a grease fitting (Zerc). Anyone added one? > > Thank you, > Richard > s/v INDIGO > > _______________________________________________ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you > wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: > https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > All Contributions are greatly appreciated! > > > > > -- > Joel > 301 541 8551 > _______________________________________________ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. 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