Main last when it is windy helps blanket chute a bit while mast crew attempts to connect pole to mast (end – for end)
Mike Persistence Halifax From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Eric Baumes via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 5:29 PM To: cnc-list Cc: Eric Baumes Subject: Re: Stus-List Adding asym sail/sprit to C&C 36 Should have said that list was in no particular order. Yes, main usually comes over last. On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 4:03 PM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: Eric, We always jibe the mast last. Are we doing it wrong? Joel On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 3:49 PM, Eric Baumes via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: Jobs to do when dip jibing symmetrical chute/ Ideal setup. 1. Main trimmer (jibes main) 2. Foredeck (switches pole to new working guy) 3. Mast (raises and lowers pole on mast, lowers and raises the topping lift) 4. Chute trimmer 5. Guy trimmer (squares pole) 6. Helm 7. Pit (check stays) 8. Floater (tends misc. lines when trimmer and guy change sides) Sure people can do more than one job. And sometimes with inexperience crew you are better off that way (4-5 good crew are essential). But you won't be as fast and as precise short-handed as a crew who can execute. You wont be as fast as jibing an asym and you will avoid Jibing when it may be advantageous. In any weather, the helm should only be steering and someone should be tending the main. The results of divided attention during can be really bad. On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 3:51 PM, Susan Kaseler <skis...@gmail.com<mailto:skis...@gmail.com>> wrote: I have been sitting on my hands about responding to this but I don’t understand why you need 6 to 7 on board to fly a symmetrical shoot. This number of crew is great for keeping the boat flat but I’ve never been so lucky to attract that many crew. Maybe we needed better lunch and beer. SLY is only a 33 footer and yours is 36 but when we raced competitively we seldom had more than 3 on board and almost always flew the shoot. We “end for end” jibe which might be more difficult on the 36 than the 33 and I have little experience doing a dip pole jibe but I don’t believe it takes more people. When the wind filled in we used “lazy guys” which provided a great deal more control. In my opinion it’s nice to have a full compliment of players when racing and flying the symmetrical shoot but not necessary. When we were 3, we were careful to avoid the need for a jibe set. The foredeck crew would set up the turtle, set the pole to its approximate position with it clipped to the guy not the sail and then would move to the halyard. The helmsman would do her magic and the third would control the sheet and guy. Or the lazy guy if weather dictated. Not the ideal situation but possible on SLY. For the jibe the helmsman steered straight downwind, the foredeck guy removed the pole from the mast, clipped it to the lazy guy or the sheet, held the pole perpendicular to the wind and waited for the call from the helmsman to release the new sheet and fasten the new free end of the pole to the mast. The third handled the sheet and guy to keep the sail full as the helmsman headed up to the new course. There have been many club Races were we were just two and still flew the shoot but I can’t recommend that. My wife, the skipper, is not fond of steering with her knees while handling the sheet and guy while I’m yelling at her to let a couple of inches off the topping lift. Not always easy but we made it happen and had a lot of fun doing it. Dave. 1975 C&C 33 SLY Sent from my iPad Sent from my iPad On Jan 31, 2018, at 12:13 PM, Eric Baumes via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: Depends on the locality. E.g. HRYRA (Hudson River) and YRALIS (Long Island Sound) only allow one cert per boat, and one change to the cert per year. I believe this was to discourage to using a different cert for different conditions. E.g. declare a 155% for summer and light wind and declare a smaller headsail for fall and heavier wind. PHRF-NB (Narraganset Bay) allows more than one cert per boat. But I am not sure for what conditions they allow it. Eric On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 1:58 PM, Chuck S <cscheaf...@comcast.net<mailto:cscheaf...@comcast.net>> wrote: Eric, Will PHRF allow you two ratings? One with the sprit and one with the pole? I'm considering adding a sprit and top down furler for single handed races. On January 31, 2018 at 10:47 AM Eric Baumes via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: That is in place of a standard spin and pole. If you declare both Asym on sprit and Symmetrical on pole you will get a PHRF penalty. Eric On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 8:24 AM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: Hi Eric When you say YRALIS allows 24% with no penalty is that in addition to a standard spin pole and Symmetric spinnaker or in place of the standard pole/spin? Mike Persistence Halifax From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com>] On Behalf Of Eric Baumes via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 8:32 PM To: cnc-list Cc: Eric Baumes Subject: Re: Stus-List Adding asym sail/sprit to C&C 36 Hi, I did this a few years ago on my 34/36+ Brief write up here http://svheesoo.com/content/bowsprint-retro-fit-project Here is the pertinent information on sizing. PHRF Regulations The YRALIS allows for a retrofit bowsprit to be 24% of J without penalty for Windward/Leward racing. For distance racing it asseses a -6 second penalty. To support an unsupported length of ~52 inches, the Selden Selden 99mm Aluminum Bowsprit Kit - 10.4 Ft. was required. The 52 inches is comprised of the 42 in beyond the forestay allowed by PHRF plus the forward ring was mounted approximately 10" behind the forestay on the deck. If you have the same Harken furler and bow roller there is just enough room. This is something you can DIY. The uncut sprit was just over the limit for UPS so I had them cut it to avoid the freight charge. Let me know if you have any questions. Eric 1993 34/36+ Hee Soo On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 7:20 PM, Charles Nelson via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: Difficulties in finding enough crew to fly my masthead kite (~7-8) have me thinking of adding a sprit with asym kite to make it possible to be competitive in the spin fleet with less crew (~ 4-6). I only had 6 for our last race and the wind was 10-15 so we decided to forego the kite and took a 1st, 2nd and 3rd (only 3 boats competed). This weekend I am down to only 4 so probably won't compete, giving up a solid 2nd with a poss 1st if my crew were not in the BVI, etc. My thoughts are solely to have the option to use the asym if I don't have enough crew to do the symm Masthead kite so I would likely keep the asym size such that my rating is not changed. Thoughts on this plan from the list would be appreciated. I do realize that this is a complicated issue and I may have to get some expert advice on sprit length, asym sail size/shape not to mention figuring out how to fly it but I am starting with the collective list wisdom. Thanks, Charlie Nelson 1995 C&C 36 XL/kcb (Rob Ball design) Water Phantom Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. 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