I'm with Kenny. I hate the Opti and am a big fan of the Bic. But for an adult learning to sail, I like the C&C 25; it's a nice, well-mannered and responsive boat that will take care of you if you get caught out in a blow.
Andy C&C 40 Peregrine On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 12:45 PM, coltrek via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Well okay, maybe I should requalified this. I have to agree with Ron on > the thistle thing. I had a thistle once in a previous life, my brother and > I and two girls were out on it, got three miles out in the lake, got a puff > - my brother was driving, had the main cleated - long story short we went > over, spent 45 minutes thinking that the boat was going to sink. It never > did, but it was enough to freak him and this other girl out. Oddly enough, > the boat had come with a little bit of polyurethane foam strapped > underneath the brace by the Mast. But it was all rotting, and I had taken > it out, and not replaced it yet . Obviously big mistake. > After that, I decided I wanted a boat that would not flip over. So I got a > Star. Then after the second year, got an accidental jibe, couldn't get the > running back quick enough, watched the masked curl forward... After that, I > decided I didn't want a boat with running backs. Got a Soling. Wonderful > boat. Easy, fun, fast. > > Ken Read came to our club this spring and gave a wonderful talk. He kind > of lambasted our sailing school for having Optis and flying juniors, > 470's. . . He said his daughter was in a sailing school, an Opti flipped > over and sink underneath her. Freaked her out so bad that she still doesn't > sail to this day. Obviously, he's very sad about that. I think he liked the > Bics for the little kids, and thought that we should actually be getting > into foiling just so that it would excite the older kids. > > My point was just that to actually learn to sail is best on a small boat. > Preferably one that you can flip back over and drain out. Then you can > learn how to sail a bigger boat and not get freaked out by things > happening, as the forces increase exponentially. Doesn't take much of a > bad experience to turn somebody completely off of sailing. > > Regards, > > Bill > C&C 39 > Erie > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: "Ronald B. Frerker via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Date: 8/29/17 18:05 (GMT-07:00) > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Cc: "Ronald B. Frerker" <rbfrer...@yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: Stus-List considering 1981 C&C 25 > > I'm with Chuck on this. A couple on the lake bought a Thistle (17ft open > craft; very responsive and great in light air) for their first boat and on > the second time out, they dumped it. Woman would never get back in that or > any other boat. > We learned in a Venture 21, a very cheap boat, but decent in light air and > easy on/off the trailer. Pretty forgiving. > Then got a San Juan 24 and realized what a difference a good boat makes in > boat feedback, docking etc. > Note the sailing schools use J24s, Colgate 26s and Solings (same size > range & style). > Get the 25, it's a great size to get things figured out with. > Then get the 30 since it's fantastic! > Ron > Wild Cheri > C&C 30-1 > STL > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com > *Cc:* Chuck Gilchrest <csgilchr...@comcast.net> > *Sent:* Tuesday, August 29, 2017 4:22 PM > *Subject:* Re: Stus-List considering 1981 C&C 25 > > For what it is worth, As a first boat I owned a 13' FJ dinghy that taught > me nothing about sailing a 4000lb keelboat. Both that boat and my Laser > made me realize that I like to sail and like to swim, just not at the same > time. > Our 25mk1 allowed us overnight accommodations for a young family and > served as a stable and fun performing boat which we owned for 14 years > before trading up to our current Landfall 35. > Chuck Gilchrest > Padanaram, MA > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 29, 2017, at 4:46 PM, coltrek via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote: > > If you REALLY want to learn how to sail , buy a 13 - 14 footer and sail > for a year or two. You will learn so much quicker on a small boat. Sorry if > I'm raining on your parade! > > > > Regards, > > BillColeman > C&C 39 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you > wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: > https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > All Contributions are greatly appreciated! > > -- Andrew Burton 61 W Narragansett Ave Newport, RI USA 02840 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ phone +401 965 5260
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