Thanks for the reminder Edd.  We got one over here on the left coast too.  Just 
no movies...yet!

www.cncrdv.org

Tom Buscaglia
S/V Alera 
1990 C&C 37+/40
Vashon WA
P 206.463.9200
C 305.409.3660


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>   1.  Reminder -- C&C 2017 Northeast Rendezvous -- Sept. 8-10,
>      2017 -- Greenport, Long Island (Edd Schillay)
>   2. Re:  Reminder -- C&C 2017 Northeast Rendezvous -- Sept. 8-10,
>      2017 -- Greenport, Long Island (JP Mail)
>   3. Re:  Looking for used RF Headsail of 34 (John and Maryann Read)
>   4. Re:  C&c 40 bolts (PETER OCAMPO)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 12:50:37 -0400
> From: Edd Schillay <e...@schillay.com>
> To: Edd Schillay via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> Subject: Stus-List Reminder -- C&C 2017 Northeast Rendezvous -- Sept.
>    8-10, 2017 -- Greenport, Long Island
> Message-ID: <d88810cc-e110-40ae-8220-63cdb1cee...@schillay.com>
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> Listers,
> 
> With summer officially beginning this evening, and on behalf of Rob Gallagher 
> (C&C 30 Mk II; Hanuman), David Risch (C&C 40; Corsair) and Don Sweeney (C&C 
> 36; Harbor Lights), I would like to invite you to attend our 2017 C&C 
> Northeast Rendezvous; September 8-10, 2017 in Greenport 
> <http://cncnortheast.com/>. 
> 
> Some of the highlights include pot luck group dinners, informal tours of 
> C&Cs, exploring Greenport, cigars, cocktails and more cocktails. Did I 
> mention drinks? 
> 
> We have dock space reserved at Mitchell Park Marina, located within a 
> four-acre park at the center of Greenport Village. A few steps away are 
> boutiques, shops, grocery stores, pubs, ice cream parlors, coffee bars, and 
> several highly-rated restaurants. You can even ferry (or dinghy) across the 
> river to beautiful Shelter Island ? something for everyone! 
> 
> There are already six C&C?s scheduled to attend with three months to go ? and 
> there?s plenty of room for more to join in on what?s shaping up to be our 
> best Northeast Rendezvous yet! 
> 
> And, seriously, when was the last time you had a rendezvous with its own 
> ?Movie Trailer?? (Go full screen and crank the volume ? trust me) ? 
> https://youtu.be/M8yBSXuHPaQ <https://youtu.be/M8yBSXuHPaQ> 
> 
> Website with Online Registration: cncnortheast.com <http://cncnortheast.com/> 
> (please sign up there to take advantage of our group rate and all the freebie 
> goodies from our sponsors.)
> 
> All the best,
> 
> Edd
> 
> 
> Edd M. Schillay
> Starship Enterprise
> C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
> City Island, NY 
> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log <http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/>
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> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 16:15:14 -0400
> From: JP Mail <jon.peterpr...@gmail.com>
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Reminder -- C&C 2017 Northeast Rendezvous --
>    Sept. 8-10, 2017 -- Greenport, Long Island
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> I'm booked!
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> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Jun 20, 2017, at 12:50 PM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
>> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Listers,
>> 
>> With summer officially beginning this evening, and on behalf of Rob 
>> Gallagher (C&C 30 Mk II; Hanuman), David Risch (C&C 40; Corsair) and Don 
>> Sweeney (C&C 36; Harbor Lights), I would like to invite you to attend our 
>> 2017 C&C Northeast Rendezvous; September 8-10, 2017 in Greenport. 
>> 
>> Some of the highlights include pot luck group dinners, informal tours of 
>> C&Cs, exploring Greenport, cigars, cocktails and more cocktails. Did I 
>> mention drinks? 
>> 
>> We have dock space reserved at Mitchell Park Marina, located within a 
>> four-acre park at the center of Greenport Village. A few steps away are 
>> boutiques, shops, grocery stores, pubs, ice cream parlors, coffee bars, and 
>> several highly-rated restaurants. You can even ferry (or dinghy) across the 
>> river to beautiful Shelter Island ? something for everyone! 
>> 
>> There are already six C&C?s scheduled to attend with three months to go ? 
>> and there?s plenty of room for more to join in on what?s shaping up to be 
>> our best Northeast Rendezvous yet! 
>> 
>> And, seriously, when was the last time you had a rendezvous with its own 
>> ?Movie Trailer?? (Go full screen and crank the volume ? trust me) ? 
>> https://youtu.be/M8yBSXuHPaQ 
>> 
>> Website with Online Registration: cncnortheast.com (please sign up there to 
>> take advantage of our group rate and all the freebie goodies from our 
>> sponsors.)
>> 
>> All the best,
>> 
>> Edd
>> 
>> 
>> Edd M. Schillay
>> Starship Enterprise
>> C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
>> City Island, NY 
>> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log
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> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 16:39:53 -0400
> From: "John and Maryann Read" <johnpr...@comcast.net>
> To: <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Looking for used RF Headsail of 34
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> I would think a headsail for a 40 is much much larger than for a 34 so would 
> not fit
> 
> 
> 
> John and Maryann
> 
> Legacy III
> 
> 1982 C&C 34
> 
> Noank, CT
> 
> 
> 
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of George 
> Cone via CnC-List
> Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 10:11 AM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: George Cone
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Looking for used RF Headsail of 34
> 
> 
> 
> I have an old #2 that was cut to work as a roller furling genny on your boat 
> ? C&C 40, it is in fair ? to good shape, you probably have it at no cost to 
> get you through this year and maybe more. It is for my 40.
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> George Cone
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of SEAN 
> CONNER via CnC-List
> Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 6:39 AM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: SEAN CONNER <conner.s...@comcast.net>
> Subject: Stus-List Looking for used RF Headsail of 34
> 
> 
> 
> Had a beautiful day sailing off the coast of NH the other day in 15kts, but 
> unfortunately we blew out our aging genoa.   Wondering if any 34 owners have 
> a good-very good Roller Furling genoa that you might be looking to sell.   
> I'm looking for something between 130-155%.   I'm willing to pay up to $750 
> and have a couple of spinnakers (.6 and .75) that I might be willing to 
> trade.  Thanks for the consideration.
> 
> Sean Conner
> 
> C&C 34 #134, LADYHAWKE
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> Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2017 08:35:44 -0400
> From: PETER OCAMPO <bcwwka...@gmail.com>
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List C&c 40 bolts
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> Hi Ron
> 
> Emailed accounts payable for clarification still no word yet. But in my case 
> no cleaning no new 5200 just torque. 
> 
> Got another bill 3 hours to put in two thru hulls also I cleaned area. All I 
> needed them to do was put them in 
> 
> Leaked they had to do it again this time I was there and with the A-team. 
> I.e. Forman and assistant it took then 3 hours to take out what the b team 
> did then 30 min to put it in and set it  now no leak 
> 
> Will e mail again  but they have not responded in 2 weeks this far
> 
> Thanks for info
> 
> Peter
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 12, 2017, at 3:41 PM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
>> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>> 
>> EDIT ? Turned out there was a reason his crew made themselves scarce ? If 
>> they had checked the batteries to know they were bad, they knew about the 
>> leaks! Hmm- good time to find something else to do???.
>> 
>> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Danny 
>> Haughey via CnC-List
>> Sent: Monday, June 12, 2017 3:29 PM
>> To: Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
>> Cc: Danny Haughey <djhaug...@juno.com>
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List C&c 40 bolts
>> 
>> Hi Joe,
>> 
>> Yea but, the right thing to do is, when you realize the condition is far 
>> more difficult to address, is call the owner and keep them in the loop.  If 
>> the boat is sitting in the yard and accessible, there is no reason not to go 
>> assess the condition.  I mean, I'd never have given an estimate on a 
>> plumbing job without having gone to look.  Then if something gets uncovered 
>> during the project you let the owner know what you've found immediatly and 
>> make them a part of the decision making.
>> 
>> If you had gone and looked at the guys battery compartment ahead of time, 
>> would you have been able to see that there would be extra work?
>> 
>> Like I said those guys at my last Marina did exactly that.  i ask if if they 
>> would quote something, I'd get a response that he would go look at it and he 
>> would give a quick rundown of his observation and work up a number with, 
>> maybe, some note about something he thought might give some trouble.  Oh and 
>> he torqued my keel bolts on the Viking no charge!  LOL
>> 
>> I'd still be there but, they said they weren't comfortable pulling the stick 
>> with the furling boom track on the back of the mast...
>> 
>> Danny
>> 
>> 
>> On 6/12/2017 11:35 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List wrote:
>> The first time I needed to tighten my keelbolts, Port Annapolis gave me a 
>> big socket wrench and said have at it - $0.00 J 5 hours seems 4 too high 
>> just to tighten a few bolts!
>> That said, and having once been in the business, estimating jobs on boats is 
>> incredibly hard to do. Imagine all the times the ?5 minute job? involved 
>> snapping corroded bolts, wire that crumbles in your hand, etc. etc.. We once 
>> had a job to swap batteries out on a motoryacht. How hard could that be? Old 
>> ones out, new ones in, call it an hour or two if I have to drive. It turned 
>> out to be 6 hours times two people for a 12 hour bill. The old batteries had 
>> all cracked, there was acid everywhere, and the batteries were located 
>> outboard of the engines with fingertip access for 8D batteries. The owner 
>> was irate until I offered to put the old batteries and acid back in place. I 
>> told him if he could recruit a friend and change the batteries out faster 
>> than we did I would give him the new batteries for FREE and no labor either. 
>> I think showing him the acid burns on my arms helped ? he paid the bill 
>> right then LOL
>> 
>> Joe
>> Coquina
>> 
>> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Danny 
>> Haughey via CnC-List
>> Sent: Monday, June 12, 2017 11:23 AM
>> To: Andrew Burton via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
>> Cc: Danny Haughey <djhaug...@juno.com>
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List C&c 40 bolts
>> 
>> well,
>> 
>> I guess if you add in the time the guy took to listen to the request, then, 
>> the time it took to find the guy to do the job and tell him about it, and 
>> then the time it took to go get the tools and go to the boat and climb on 
>> board, take a nap, then tighten the bolts and fill out the time slip, I 
>> guess it could go 5 hours...
>> 
>> The yard I'm at now seems unwilling to give prices for projects.  They just 
>> want your work at time and material.  so, there is no risk on their part and 
>> no pressure on their guys to work efficiently.  I consider this a DIY yard 
>> now.  You know, if they didn't charge the full rate for everyone the pricing 
>> might be a bit more fair but, they want full rate on anything they do.  I 
>> mean, obviously, they don't need the work or, they would be better at 
>> pricing.  I know in construction, when the pricing does not make any sense, 
>> the contractor doesn't really want your work but, will take it if the reward 
>> is high enough.
>> 
>> I asked for a price recently on touching up bottom paint and all I got was, 
>> "yes, we do that for you..."  No price, no estimate, no thanks!
>> 
>> Here is the amazing thing to me.  boats are a true luxury, no one NEEDS a 
>> boat.  Most of us have limited budgets to spend on them and (at least me 
>> Lately!) wonder if it is even worth it, financially, to own a boat.  Given 
>> the the short season around here, the monthly cost is pretty high.  Then, 
>> you have these boat service places that just want to pry as much from your 
>> hands as possible. 
>> 
>> I have to say, I really miss FL Tipps in westport, ma.  We had some issues 
>> but, they did run things like a real service company.  Accurate quotes that 
>> they stood by.  Discounts for scheduling early for winter work.  Fair 
>> pricing on time and material work.  No labor padding.  When you store there, 
>> they don't charge for moving your boat, they don;t charge for moving your 
>> mast so you can work on it.  I've actually gotten labor bills for 1 hour or 
>> part of an hour.
>> 
>> Where I am now, they charge you for even thinking about your boat it seems!
>> 
>> Danny
>> 
>> 
>> On 6/12/2017 9:33 AM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List wrote:
>> Did that include pulling the mast to get at the one under the step?
>> If not, 5 hours is about 4 hours too long for that job! Just went through it 
>> myself last year.  They might want two guys to do it, so I would compromise 
>> with them and say you'll pay for two hours. Otherwise I would be shouting 
>> from the rooftops and raising holy hell with them. Five hours to tighten 5 
>> nuts?! Tell them you'll ensure they get lots of publicity for their 
>> expertise in fleecing their customers. Then get the heck out of that place!
>> 
>> Andy
>> C&C 40
>> Peregrine
>> 
>> On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 8:41 AM, PETER OCAMPO via CnC-List 
>> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>> Hi guys
>> 
>> Before I speak to the yard. About charging me 5 hours to torque my 5 bolts  
>> 3 large at 450ft/lbs that I fully exposed i.e. Moved wires removed cabin  
>> table and covers  cleared water from bildge
>> 
>> just wondering what the avg time charged  or if it takes multiple guys to do 
>> this job
>> 
>> Peter
>> Goonie island C&c 40 1983 aft cabin
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> --
>> Andrew Burton
>> 61 W Narragansett Ave
>> Newport, RI
>> USA 02840
>> http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
>> phone  +401 965 5260
>> 
>> 
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