+1 for the resistance to kinking and hockling. We have very limited selection of ropes here and I am using a standard double braid and after two seasons it is showing signs of internal twisting.
The original line was much better. Marek -------- Original message -------- From: Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Date: 5/30/17 09:23 (GMT-05:00) To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Chuck Gilchrest <csgilchr...@comcast.net> Subject: Re: Stus-List furling line Mike, For what it’s worth, you’re not going to break a furling line, even it is loading up when used as a “reefing line”. Unless you choose some ratty old clothesline, sun bleached polypropylene, or a chafed and pulled old dinghy halyard, the rope isn’t really the stress point and shouldn’t fail. Most folks don’t service their furlers regularly and as such, they don’t spin well with a load on them. I’d perform that task before I’d buy high modulus line for a furler. The only true benefit to a “high tech” line would be minimizing the stretch in the rope. Fully loaded, you may see 2-3% stretch with a double braid polyester vs. .5-1% with high modulus line. If that difference is worth paying $1 per foot more for the line, be my guest! As a marketing person for a rope manufacturer, we LOVE selling expensive rope to sailors! But, practically speaking, furling line is not an area where the breaking strength or even really stretch is a critical factor. How the rope feels and grips, its resistance to kinking and hockling, running smoothly in blocks, is a much more desirable trait in a furling line. Putting a tiny ¼” furling line on the boat will make crew very unhappy when they need to quickly douse a jib. It is just too small to handle comfortably. The practice of de-coring the rope for the first few feet of the furler is pretty common when you are dealing with a smaller drum and a big jib. Or in Danny’s case, a boom furler with limited capacity. Chuck Gilchrest S/V Half Magic 1983 35 Landfall Padanaram, MA From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 8:17 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Hoyt, Mike <mike.h...@impgroup.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List furling line What about a high tech line that is smaller than 5/16 diameter for the first 30 feet or so and then larger diameter for the final amount where your hands work the rope. Would that not fit better inside the furling drum? Mike Persistence HAlifax From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 9:48 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: Chuck Gilchrest Subject: Re: Stus-List furling line Seems about right. And I too will unload the sail before furling or reefing so there isn't the full force of the sail working against the furler. Calculations of the load of the sail transferred to the furling line would be difficult given sail size, wind speed, wind angle, friction in bearings in the furler, sail condition, and sheeting would all play into the equation. More of a sailmaker question I would think... Or if one had a load cell that could be hooked up to the furling line for field testing. Chuck Sent from my iPhone On May 29, 2017, at 3:15 PM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: Chuck, I cannot pull the furling line when it is loaded. I know that people try doing that with a winch, but from what I know it is not what furler manufacturers recommend. I furl only when the genoa is slacked (usually a bit down wind, during a tack, or when sheets slacked if little wind). In order to split this hair... Assuming that the radius of the sail wrapped around extrusion is the same as the radius on the drum, the force would be equal to what the sheet is pulling. I think that one might assume that the leverage is 2:1 (the drum radius is double of the sail radius), so the force is half. I am not sure how safe is that assumption. Marek From: Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 12:35 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: Chuck Gilchrest Subject: Re: Stus-List furling line Marek, The tensile strength of 5/16” XLE polyester double braid is roughly 3600 lbs. Even if one were to assume a 5:1 ratio to develop a “safe working Load” you’d still be looking at 720lbs. I can’t imagine that there would be that much pressure against the drum..you certainly wouldn’t be able to pull the line if it were loaded that heavily. Chuck Gilchrest S/V Half Magic 1983 LF 35 Padanaram, MA From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 12:22 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: Marek Dziedzic <dziedzi...@hotmail.com<mailto:dziedzi...@hotmail.com>> Subject: Re: Stus-List furling line Anyone calculated what should be the working load strength for the furling line? It does not count, if you don’t ever use it for reefing, but what if you do? One could probably run some calculations (e.g. based on the working load on the sheet and the ratio of the diameter of the furling drum and the sailed furled on the extrusion), but if there is a ready-made solution, I would be interested. thanks Marek 1994 C270, Legato Ottawa, ON From: Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 12:14 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: Chuck Gilchrest Subject: Re: Stus-List furling line +1 on Cajun Rope. Very reasonable pricing. Also check with R&W Rope in Massachusetts www.rwrope.com<http://www.rwrope.com> and search under Novabraid XLE as that is the same rope sold by Cajun (made by Novabraid from Nova Scotia). R&W does free US shipping for orders over $30. Jamestown Distributors is also currently having a sale on the same line https://www.jamestowndistributors.com/userportal/show_product.do?pid=54238&familyName=Novabraid+XLE+Polyester+Double+Braid+per+Foot The line used on my boat with a Furlex furler is 5/16” (8mm). 3/8” would be too large diameter and take up too much room on the drum and I only have a 135% jib on my boat. Chuck Gilchrest S/V Half Magic 1983 35 Landfall Padanaram, MA From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Frederick G Street via CnC-List Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 11:54 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: Frederick G Street <f...@postaudio.net<mailto:f...@postaudio.net>> Subject: Re: Stus-List furling line http://www.cajunrope.com — Fred Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI On May 29, 2017, at 10:49 AM, Neil Gallagher via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: Are you thinking of Cajun Rope? Neil Gallagher Weatherly 35-1 Glen Cove, NY On 5/29/2017 11:28 AM, ahycrace--- via CnC-List wrote: Looks line I have to replace the furling line on Liberty"s furling drum. What was the name of that mail order company that sells reasonable priced quality line I just cant remember it. ( Old timers syndrome. ) Gary "Liberty" 38' MK II _______________________________________________ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
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