I have never done anything but dip-pole gybes on our C&C 35. We have also done "chicken gybes" where you drop the spinnaker totally and rehoist it on the other tack. We did this a couple of times in heavy air and thought we were being total wussies until we realized we gained a few boats over the boats that broke poles, wrapped the chute big time, or otherwise had gybing disasters. Sailing shorthanded and cruising, I fly the chute in asym mode and gybe from the cockpit with no more issues than gybing the genoa.
Joe Coquina From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of robert via CnC-List Sent: Monday, December 05, 2016 10:04 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: robert <robertabb...@eastlink.ca> Subject: Stus-List Spinnaker pole handling Charlie: I was foredeck person racing, and we did a lot of racing. As the boats got bigger we did dip-pole jibes.....they are quick, easy and most importantly, safe. Changing from end to end gybes, we made the same mistakes as you, but to do it right, practice, practice and practice.....and we did. Before the gybe and trip of the old guy, bring the pole back almost perpendicular so the release is clean. Then as helsman, after the pole is released, square off the spin in front of the boat until the new guy is made.....one mistake is that the helsman over steers the boat before the crew completes the jibe. Have mast person raise inboard end of pole ready to trip pole (old guy),......have your foredeck person in front of the forestay crouching down looking back leaning forward on the forestay........he always holds the new guy with the palm always pointed down to drop new guy in jaws .....this way the thumb is always pointed back and can be used to pressure the jaw(s|) to close......always hold new guy the same way and you will never wrap jaws......have mast person assist with guiding the pole down to the foredeck person and help the pit man to raise the pole. The dip pole gybe is a choreography with many people doing all the right things at the right time and when you get it right, you won't want to do end for end gybes. The helmsman, pit man, trimmers, mast man and foredeck person all have to pay attention and know what each is doing and when. Go out and practice. Rob Abbott AZURA C&C 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. On 2016-12-04 10:20 PM, Charlie Nelson via CnC-List wrote: We use a carbon fiber pole on Water Phantom, C&C 36 XL/kcb, for our kite(s) and have 'oscillated' back and forth between doing dip-pole jibes or end-for-end. The pole is a relatively light Forte carbon fiber pole with snap-in fitting on both ends. We always use lazy sheets and guys. As the driver, I don't have strong feelings about which method we use or should use. However, especially in breezes above 8 knots, it looks to me like our jibes are taking too much time when we end for end the pole. Of course I share some of the blame if I can't keep the boat headed downwind during the jibe but even when I seem to manage keeping her downwind, the mast man struggles to get the pole into the fitting and made--taking valuable time and giving a lot of downwind separation to our competitors. Of course, it also puts him at risk for the pole smashing him about the head and shoulders if the pressure builds on the kite before he has it made. I am convinced that my boat can sail to her rating upwind in breezes above about 8 knots--less not so much!--but downwind we often waste what seems like too much time on jibing. I say this with confidence since when we raced non-spin with a whisker pole, until we learned how to set the pole downwind, we would beat every boat to the windward mark and have most of them pass us on the way downwind. Once we got the mechanics straightened out, no one passed us downwind even if a few gained on us. OTOH, if we dip pole, the bow person often gets the new guy in the pole in the incorrect position (with his back to the bow), so there is certainly a need for more practice. My question for the list is what method should we invest practice time in so that jibing can be as routine as tacking. It seems that at 36 ft Water Phantom and a fiber pole could go either way but I would prefer to always use the same method so that we have a chance to get quick at it. Charlie Nelson Water Phantom C&C 36 XL/kcb cenel...@aol.com<mailto:cenel...@aol.com> _______________________________________________ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
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