Hi Hank, Good to hear from you. Yes. you are correct. The Mega was the sole exception to C&C not working with a designated sailmaker. As you remember, Peter Barrett of North Sails was one of the driving forces behind the Mega, so it was always envisioned to be a collaborative effort. I had somehow blocked that from my memory, but it was definitely "the exception that proves the rule".
Rob On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 8:45 PM, henry evans via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Hi Rob, > > Enjoyed your dissertation on sails. > > Correct me if I am wrong, but in our joint venture with North Sails on the > MEGA , didn't we provide North Sails with the boat ? Or at least offered > them ? Between you as the design project manager and me as the > sales/marketing project manager, and in spite of our advancing age and > failing memories, one of us should be able to remember :) > > Regarding the other question raised : I think I can shed some light. One > of the dealers I handled was Dave Irish at Irish Boat Shop in Harbor > Springs, MI on Lake Michigan's Grand Traverse Bay. Dave was very good > racing sailor and was crew on at least one or two of our Americas Cup 12 > Meter teams. He was also a senior national officer in what now has become > US Sailing. Jack Culley at Sailboats, Inc. was having such good success > selling C&C's that he told Dave he should talk to me. I flew out, we > talked and I set him up as a C&C dealer sometime around 1978 or 79. He > sold a number of boats for us on the eastern shore of the lake. Dave had a > small loft in conjunction with his dealership and boat yards. He sold them > under the "Irish Sails" label. I suspect that is what the gentleman is > referring to. > > As you may recall, when I first joined C&C in 1977, you were the one who > spent several hours explaining to a rookie salesman the basics of NACA > foils, the details of our unique hull/deck joint and many of the other > engineering parameters we were using to design and build fast boats. That > knowledge helped me sell a lot of C&C's over my years with the company. I > always enjoy reading your perspectives on design, the industry and C&C > Yachts. > > Cheers, > > Hank > > > On Tuesday, November 22, 2016 6:10 PM, Robert Mazza via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > > Hi Randy, > > C&C did not supply sails as part of the purchase of a new boat. That > practice started much later and was certainly the case when I was with > Hunter. Sailmakers competed to supply sails to the individual C&C owners, > sometimes through the dealers. While with C&C I had the pleasure of sailing > Bermuda Races with Charlie Ulmer and Dave Lindsey of Ulmer Sails, Block > Island Race week with John Marshall and Hans Fogh of North Sails, Onion > Patch with Robby Doyle, and many other events with other talented > sailmakers from a number of different brands. > > A lot of C&Cs were sold on the Lakes, and a lot of those Great Lakes > sailmakers supplied early sails, but not necessarily through C&C. However, > that being said, C&C maintained a good working relationship with a number > of individual sailmakers as stated above, and if asked for advice by the > new boat owner, could direct them or even introduce them to those > individuals. If a sailmaker was supplying winning sails and was willing to > work to make C&Cs perform on the race course, then a recommendation would > be beneficial for all parties involved. > > I'm sorry, but I don't know anything about a sail brand called Irish. > > Rob > > On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 1:36 PM, RANDY <randy.staff...@comcast.net> wrote: > > Thank you for those interesting details Rob. I've always wondered about > the makers of the sails that came in my boat's inventory (C&C 30 MK I hull > #7, built September 1972). Thanks to your comment I now know about Hood > Sails and Ed Botterell. I've got a #1 genoa (~165%) and a storm jib from > Hood Sails. I've also got a working jib and a short (spinnaker pole > topping lift) staysail from Boston Sails presumably of Sarnia, Ontario > (http://www.doyleboston.com/ > about.html <http://www.doyleboston.com/about.html>). > > Was it common for early C&Cs to be fitted with sails from those Lake > Ontario -area sailmakers? Anyone ever heard of a sailmaker named "Irish"? > (that's the logo on my mainsail, which according to the year stamped on > its sail bag was made in 1982). > > Best Regards, > Randy Stafford > S/V Grenadine > C&C 30-1 #7 > Ken Caryl, CO > > ------------------------------ > *From: *"Robert Mazza via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > *To: *"C&C Mailing List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > *Cc: *"Robert Mazza" <robertlma...@gmail.com>, "Martin DeYoung" < > martin.deyo...@outlook.com> > *Sent: *Tuesday, November 22, 2016 10:21:01 AM > *Subject: *Re: Stus-List 1973 custom C&C 43' - hull/deck joint (toe rail > replacement?) > > Violeta, > > One of the photos from Martin's link is quite historic (they are all > historic, of course, but one more than the others). See attached. It shows > Blair Vedder (owner), Erich Bruckmann (builder), Mark Ellis (C&C custom > sales), and Ed Botterell (Hood sialimaker). I wish I had a higher > resolution copy of this photo. > > Rob Mazza > > > > _______________________________________________ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you > wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: > https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > All Contributions are greatly appreciated! > > > > _______________________________________________ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you > wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: > https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > All Contributions are greatly appreciated! > >
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