Agree. Winterizing is simple really.
1. Buy a big jug of plumbers antifreeze. Pink stuff. Local Hardware store. Don’t need to buy “Marine$$” grade. 2. Disconnect the sea suction hose at the through hull and stick the hose in the jug. 3. Remove the engine air inlet filter or cover. You are going to feed oil in there in a minute. 4. Two choices here, either buy a spray can of fogging oil (Can Tire Product #038-0910-6) or just get ready a capful, or shooter glass, of engine oil. 5. (One person version, in the engine room ) Start the engine. 6. Watch the level of AF in the jug go down. 7. At ½ Level, drip feed the capful, or spray the fogging oil into the intake manifold. 8. Shut down the motor after either a) Oil drip is gone, or b) the AF jug is about empty. 9. Get out of the Engine room and check that there is a pink mess on the ground. 10. If so, then your engine is properly winterized. Water and air side. PS most folks forget about the fogging. It protects the cylinders. Rings, valves. Been doing this for >30 years and it works. John LF 38 Plan B From: Della Barba, Joe [mailto:joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov] Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 4:07 PM To: 'cnc-list@cnc-list.com' Subject: Re: Stus-List Winterizing 2GM20F I have had my boat since 1977. If pink antifreeze was harmful to rubber parts I would have bought a TON of impellers and joker valves by now! Joe Coquina From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 3:01 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Marek Dziedzic Subject: Re: Stus-List Winterizing 2GM20F Joe, I think you are right. And I read the same about how poisonous the two are. I am using the pink stuff for winterisation and cross my fingers that the rubber parts don’t mind it. The two primary concerns are the impeller in the water pump and the joker valve in the head. The worst scenario is that I replace either or both every so often. Compared to other expenses of operating a sailboat these are acceptable. Marek From: Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 14:50 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Della Barba, Joe Subject: Re: Stus-List Winterizing 2GM20F ??? I think you are trying to find engine antifreeze. I have never tried that, I always have used the pink propylene glycol sold all over the place to winterize water systems in boats, vacation cottages, and RVs. It has no ethylene glycol in it, you can drink it. I use the same stuff for the engine and the water tanks. This is not engine coolant and is only used for winter layup. Someone on a forum somewhere also explained that while ethylene glycol is quite poisonous to DRINK, it does about the same harm as propylene glycol if dumped overboard. Joe Coquina Still two months away from antifreeze :) -----Original Message----- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Steve Thomas via CnC-List Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 2:44 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Steve Thomas Subject: Re: Stus-List Winterizing 2GM20F You might think that, but it is not. Recochem used to make a propylene glycol engine antifreeze here that was widely sold under various brand names, notably Prestolite, but they don't anymore. It came as a something of a shock when it was no longer available. Some automotive speed shops have a version that is imported from the States, but it is absurdly expensive. None of the former retailers I talked to, including Canadian Tire, could give me a reason for its disappearance from the marketplace. There is sometimes available a premium plumbing antifreeze that contains propylene glycol in some proportion but it doesn't say in what proportion, and it still contains ethyl alcohol. In short, it is difficult and expensive to find here, and for no apparent reason. I have resigned myself to using the environmentally unfriendly ethylene glycol. Steve Thomas C&C27 MKIII Port Stanley, ON ---- "Della Barba wrote: ?????? Propylene glycol is very easy to get around here. I would think it would be a very easy thing to find in Canada too. You all do have RVs and vacation houses up there, right??? Joe Coquina C&C 35 MK I From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 1:06 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Marek Dziedzic Subject: Re: Stus-List Winterizing 2GM20F There is a school of thought that maintains that the impeller might deteriorate in the antifreeze, especially, since most of the AF is Ethylene Glycol. IIRC, the better one would be Propylene Glycol, but it is not easily available. Btw. if AF drains, it is only better (you don’t have to worry about water diluting the AF. Marek 1994 C270 “Legato” Ottawa, ON From: David Platt via CnC-List Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 10:37 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com%3cmailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: David Platt Subject: Re: Stus-List WInterizing 2GM20F Tim I am curious about why you advocate taking the impeller out. Won't antifreeze drain out of your engine when you take the cover off the water pump? Respectfully david C&C 32 Wanderer _______________________________________________ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! _______________________________________________ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
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