When I bought Pegathy, I bought the cheapest Garmin chartplotter. Once you've
sailed with a chartplotter, you never want to be without. I also have Marine
Navigator on my smartphone and both the Garmin app (accesses the Active Captain
data base, a pretty useful piece) and Open GL navigator, both on the boat
laptop. The next year, I bought the Garmin 10 and mast top and depth finder
package and added them - same manufacturer, no problem. Changing settings is a
non-issue, along with updates. The Garmin products work. There are many things
about them I'm not particularly fond of - one is that the operation is NOT
intuitive - but they work. The only thing that's failed is the depth transducer
- an AirMar.
Two years later I bought a Lowrance VHF with AIS on NMEA 2000. The Lowrance
needs the gps signal from the chartplotter. The original wouldn't read the
network. Nor would the second. But, they sent a third, and it just plugged in
and worked, sending AIS target locations to the chartplotter - a wonderful
thing when sailing at night on the Chesapeake. So, at least some
interoperability in the NMEA 2000 world works.
When I replace Walter, my Autohelm 3000, I'll likely go Garmin so I can be sure
it will work. I will do my damndest to ensure that the Garmin Autohelm will
talk to a tablet. I don't know what I'll do if it won't. Probably find another
brand that will. I expect that when the Garmin chartplotter goes, or I decide I
really, really need a bigger screen, I'll go with a tablet mounted at the helm.
I expect that by that time the standard will work well across all sensors -
including driver updates.
Dem's my 2 cents.
Dan SheerPegathy, LF38Rock Creek off the Patapsco
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1. Re: Raymarine exits the instrument, vhf and (Dave S)
2. Re: Raymarine exits the instrument, vhf and autopilot
business (Dreuge)
3. Re: Raymarine exits the instrument, vhf and (David)
4. Re: Repainting Waterline Stripe... (Dave Godwin)
5. Re: Raymarine exits the instrument, vhf and autopilot
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2016 10:17:18 -0400
From: Dave S <[email protected]>
To: "C&c Stus List" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Raymarine exits the instrument, vhf and
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Pete - patience man, I'm a 53 year old luddite!
The realization of how all this "fits" is just dawning on me, and many of
the writings I have read on the subject are now making much more sense.
Thanks for the Garmin info, they too have an n2k updater it seems. They
don't promote these aggressively , but at least they are available.
For the record, the raymarine guys I was connected with were really
helpful, but the situation is what it is. Also for the record, I have zero
brand loyalty/axe to grind for/with anyone.
Had I known then what I know now, I'd have (dispassionately) chosen another
brand.(s) I do think it is something important to consider when
weighting options today.
Dave
PDate: Tue, 20 Sep 2016 12:58:42 +0000 (UTC)
From: Pete Shelquist <[email protected]>
To: [email protected], <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Raymarine exits the instrument, vhf and
autopilot business!
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You raymarine guys kill me. ?Defend it to the end and drag others down when
it's obvious that Ray falls short. I've been saying it for years: friends
don't let friends buy raymarine.?
Dave/others; Per Garmin FAQ, Here's the solution if/when you decide to
leave the raymarine dark side :
"The easiest way to update the device is to purchase a NMEA 2000 Network
Updater and attach it to the NMEA 2000 network that the device is connected
to. The updater will add an SD card slot to the NMEA 2000 network which
will allow and update to be sent to the device. A blank SD card with at
least 300MB up to 2GB of space is also required.
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Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2016 10:28:06 -0400
From: Dreuge <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: Stus-List Raymarine exits the instrument, vhf and
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Raymarine is not so bad.
When the day comes that you buy a device, which is not from Raymarine, but you
are required to use a Raymarine MFD to upgrade the software or even use the
device, then you?ll feel like a Mac(or Linux) user. As a non-Microsoft
software user, I feel your pain. But after many years to navigating my C&C
29 via laptop(my dell hackintosh), iPad, and then iPhone, I finally purchased a
Raymarine e7D chart plotter for my LF38, and I have to say, I like the kool-aid
so far.
-
Paul E.
1981 C&C 38 Landfall
S/V Johanna Rose
Carrabelle, FL
http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/
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Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2016 10:29:36 -0400
From: David <[email protected]>
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So bottom line for those who do not want to spend too much time thinking on
this...
Stick with one manufacturer throughout whether upgrading or buying anew.
Limiting but given the scope and decent reliability of product of the leading
players not so bad?
(Raymarine by default and still happy)
David F. Risch
1981 40-2
(401) 419-4650 (cell)
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2016 10:17:18 -0400
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Stus-List Raymarine exits the instrument, vhf and
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Pete - patience man, I'm a 53 year old luddite!
The realization of how all this "fits" is just dawning on me, and many of the
writings I have read on the subject are now making much more sense. Thanks for
the Garmin info, they too have an n2k updater it seems. They don't promote
these aggressively , but at least they are available.
For the record, the raymarine guys I was connected with were really helpful,
but the situation is what it is. Also for the record, I have zero brand
loyalty/axe to grind for/with anyone.
Had I known then what I know now, I'd have (dispassionately) chosen another
brand.(s) I do think it is something important to consider when weighting
options today.
Dave
PDate: Tue, 20 Sep 2016 12:58:42 +0000 (UTC)
From: Pete Shelquist <[email protected]>
To: [email protected], <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Raymarine exits the instrument, vhf and
autopilot business!
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You raymarine guys kill me. ?Defend it to the end and drag others down when
it's obvious that Ray falls short. I've been saying it for years: friends don't
let friends buy raymarine.?
Dave/others; Per Garmin FAQ, Here's the solution if/when you decide to leave
the raymarine dark side :
"The easiest way to update the device is to purchase a NMEA 2000 Network
Updater and attach it to the NMEA 2000 network that the device is connected to.
The updater will add an SD card slot to the NMEA 2000 network which will allow
and update to be sent to the device. A blank SD card with at least 300MB up to
2GB of space is also required.
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2016 10:45:22 -0400
From: Dave Godwin <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Stus-List Repainting Waterline Stripe...
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David,
I?d spend the few extra bucks and get a good 3M tape. I just did some Awlcraft
painting for gloss and non-skid on my hatches and I used the Awlgrip (and my
painter) recommended 3M 218 Fine Line tape for masking the gloss vs. non-skid
prior to spraying. I?ll be masking off the entire deck sometime this week or
next and I find the 218 properties to be easy to use. Electrical tape is a bit
stretchy and I?m not fond of the glue used.
Don?t know what your setup with the boat in the yard is but a good way to mark
the waterline and boot stripes is with a laser. Boat?s gotta be level
fore-and-aft and side-to-side.
Best,
Dave Godwin
1982 C&C 37 - Ronin
Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
Ronin?s Overdue Refit <http://roninrebuild.blogspot.com/>
> On Sep 20, 2016, at 10:03 AM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> David,
>
> I would check with the manufacturer to see what you can use over AwlGrip.
>
> On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 9:59 AM, David via CnC-List <[email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
> Neil,
>
> You are the man...as my next question was how to follow the extreme curvature
> under the stern (waterline and curves widens radically to maintain visual
> width when hull tucks under).
>
> This is my solution.
>
> Thanks!
>
> David F. Risch
> (401) 419-4650 <tel:%28401%29%20419-4650> (cell)
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2016 14:48:32 +0000 (UTC)
From: RANDY <[email protected]>
To: cnc-list <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Raymarine exits the instrument, vhf and
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Mike I would feel the same way (about having an iPad floating around the
cockpit) if I was critically dependent on the device for navigation while
sailing on bigger waters than my little lake :) I'm sure there are solutions
for waterproof-encasing an iPad and mounting it firmly in the cockpit etc. But
you'd still have to keep it charged if sailing for long time periods, and what
if a solar-powered bluetooth-enabled instrument failed and could no longer
transmit, etc. I generally aspire to coastal cruising, and when I do that I
will want proven ruggedized instrumentation. But for racing Grenadine around
Chatfield Reservoir, the SailTimer products were very fitting - affordable and
intriguing.
Cheers,
Randy
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From: "Mike via CnC-List Hoyt" <[email protected]>
To: "cnc-list" <[email protected]>
Cc: "Mike Hoyt" <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 8:11:21 AM
Subject: Re: Stus-List Raymarine exits the instrument, vhf and autopilot
business!
Pete
Have used ST60 speed/depth/wind on the last number of boats that we sailed on
extensively. Robust instruments and easy to use. Only issue was the connectors
on the back had to be replaced on the wire ends after a few years (annoyance).
Used B&G for a bit with current boat when we bought it and really did not like
them. Displays were starting to fail and absolutely no way to replace with
newer model displays so built in obsolescence. Also very expensive.
I won?t speak to the plotters, radars and other instruments but I have always
liked these three standard sailing instruments. Our current i50/i60 series are
also very nice but do not look to be built as ruggedly as the ST50 / ST60
series.
I am also not a fan of having an iPad floating around in the cockpit. Nav
station yes, cockpit no. If I was to be dependent on a device such as an iPad
and it got knocked around or overboard in rough weather that would at the very
least be a distraction. Very nice for redundant system but I cannot see it
being a primary system until it is made to the same rugged standards as
existing instrumentation.
My $0.02
Mike
Persistence
Raymarine i50/i60 speed, depth, wind
Raymarine wheel pilot
Garmin GPSMAP 740
Standard Horizon GX2200 with AIS display and ram mic
Ramarine a65
KVH Sailcomp
Microsoft Surface with Navionics
From: CnC-List [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Pete
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Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 9:59 AM
To: [email protected]; [email protected]
Cc: Pete Shelquist
Subject: Re: Stus-List Raymarine exits the instrument, vhf and autopilot
business!
You raymarine guys kill me. Defend it to the end and drag others down when it's
obvious that Ray falls short. I've been saying it for years: friends don't let
friends buy raymarine.
Dave/others; Per Garmin FAQ, Here's the solution if/when you decide to leave
the raymarine dark side :
"The easiest way to update the device is to purchase a NMEA 2000 Network
Updater and attach it to the NMEA 2000 network that the device is connected to.
The updater will add an SD card slot to the NMEA 2000 network which will allow
and update to be sent to the device. A blank SD card with at least 300MB up to
2GB of space is also required.
To create the update SD card, please follow these instructions:
Download the latest update from the Marine Software Update Page to your desktop
Double-click the file on the desktop
When the window titled Marine Product Software Update appears, click the Next
button
Choose the drive letter that is assigned to the SD card reader
Click the Next button
Once the update is completed, click the Finish button
Take the SD card and the NMEA 2000 Network Updater to the boat. To connect the
NMEA 2000 Network Updater into the NMEA 2000 network, please follow these
instructions:
Connect the NMEA 2000 Network Updater's cable to the T-Connector it came with
Disconnect two T-Connectors in the NMEA 2000 network on the boat
Connect the Network Updater's T-Connector to both of the disconnected
T-Connectors from step 2
To update the NMEA 2000 network, power on the NMEA 2000 network and all
accessories and insert the SD card into the NMEA 2000 Network Updater.
To know when the update is complete, please review the color of the LED on the
NMEA 2000 Network Updater:
Red - Error, no card inserted, or no update on card
Orange - Update in progress
Green - Update completed successfully
Once the update is complete, the SD card can be removed from the Updater and
all Garmin NMEA 2000 connected devices and accessories will be up to date."
Boom.
Get Outlook for iOS
On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 7:40 AM -0500, "Frederick G Street via CnC-List" <
[email protected] > wrote:
I think Dave?s gripe had more to do with upgrading things other than the MFD;
things like instruments and autopilots. And having to do those through an MFD
from the same manufacturer.
I don?t think I?d want to be able to upgrade a Raymarine autopilot through a
Garmin MFD; Garmin might just sabotage the process? :^)
Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI
On Sep 20, 2016, at 7:26 AM, Paul Fountain via CnC-List < [email protected]
> wrote:
My ray eS7 does the same ??
Paul Fountain
Perception II
1985 C&C 33-II k/cb
Port Credit Yacht Club
From: CnC-List [ mailto:[email protected] ] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike
via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 8:23 AM
To: [email protected]
Cc: Hoyt, Mike < [email protected] >
Subject: Re: Stus-List Raymarine exits the instrument, vhf and autopilot
business!
My Garmin GPSMap 740 plotter uses a SD Card to update firmware after
downloading the file to the SD card from a computer which in turn gets the file
from the internet.
Mike
Persistence
Halifax, NS
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