I can attest to the difficulty of setting a Fortress unless set in relatively 
calm conditions, even with a soft mud bottom.


It was one of 2 anchors I used when I anchored out in a local creek during 
Hurricane Irene's visit to NC in 2011. I set it and a bigger Danforth (~50 lbs) 
in calm water at about 50 degrees apart and both held without difficulty as the 
storm passed with barely Hurricane force winds. Boat was unscathed but had 
rotated at least once around the anchors as the wind veered. Both anchors were 
set well and took a bunch of work to release. 


OTOH, in a severe T-storm which blew the water out of a dock I was trying to 
reach without a motor, the Fortress refused to grab the bottom with 10-12 feet 
of chain and over 200 feet of rode in ~ 5 feet of water. Since the boat was 
being pushed by the wind (no sails up), it was moving toward some covered docks 
and my crew and I could not get it to set--it evidently was sliding over the 
bottom without the points digging in because we were moving a little too fast.


After some serious 'swearing' and a few prayers as Water Phantom headed toward 
the covered dock, I realized that the storm had pushed so much water out of the 
creek I was in that I was now in about 4 feet of water. Then it hit me---I 
screamed above the howling wind and rain to my only crew to "...DROP THE 
...DAMM CENTERBOARD..."  When its ~ 1000 lbs of fin shaped lead hit the 
bottom--we stopped like we had hit a rock and did not move while the storm 
continued for about 15 minutes. 


When it passed, I saw a wave front coming into the creek about 2 feet high 
which restored the water depth but my board still held. A few minutes later, 
the sun was out and a friendly powerboat came by and towed us to the 
dock--centerboard up of course.


Like a lot of things in sailing, when you really need an anchor or a knife, you 
need a REAL anchor or a REAL knife, not something that might do the job but 
something that HAS to do the job.


Charlie Nelson
Water Phantom
1995 C&C XL/kcb
Oriental, NC



cenel...@aol.com




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Quite a pair of testimonials... And some interesting replies.


Based on  the replies here  and much of what I've read online, there is little 
point in having a danforth type when a larger and smaller rocna, delta or Bruce 
type would cover both bower and kedge applications.   What does surprise me is 
the hype around the fortress, which many find troublesome or impossible to set 
in certain conditions.  (As I did)  Will play around with mine a bit more, but 
will certainly invest in something more consistently reliable.


Thanks. Dave.


From: David Knecht <davidakne...@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Stus-List Anchor test - recommended lunch hook/kedge?
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I recently had my first anchor test.  We were in Coechles harbor on Shelter 
Island overnight and a 50+ knot squall blew through at 2AM.  I have a Rocna (I 
believe it is the 27 lb) with 20? of chain and I had about 70? of line which is 
about 6:1 in that area.  I was one of the few boats that did not drag out of 
about 20 in the anchorage.  It was nerve wracking to try to monitor, but now I 
have a great deal more confidence for the next time.  I would also set an 
anchor watch next time so I could monitor my position from the cabin.  I was 
concerned that I would have trouble getting the anchor up the next morning 
(still blowing 20+ and no windlass) but it came right out when we motored 
slowly forward.  The only problem I have is that the Rocna does not fit under 
the bow pulpit because of the large hoop.  I was considering putting it in the 
anchor compartment while racing, but when I realized I could not take it off 
without disconnecting it from the chain, I decided to leave it in place.  Dave

Aries
1990 C&C 34+
New London, CT
From: David Knecht <davidakne...@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Stus-List Anchor test - recommended lunch hook/kedge?
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I recently had my first anchor test.  We were in Coechles harbor on Shelter 
Island overnight and a 50+ knot squall blew through at 2AM.  I have a Rocna (I 
believe it is the 27 lb) with 20? of chain and I had about 70? of line which is 
about 6:1 in that area.  I was one of the few boats that did not drag out of 
about 20 in the anchorage.  It was nerve wracking to try to monitor, but now I 
have a great deal more confidence for the next time.  I would also set an 
anchor watch next time so I could monitor my position from the cabin.  I was 
concerned that I would have trouble getting the anchor up the next morning 
(still blowing 20+ and no windlass) but it came right out when we motored 
slowly forward.  The only problem I have is that the Rocna does not fit under 
the bow pulpit because of the large hoop.  I was considering putting it in the 
anchor compartment while racing, but when I realized I could not take it off 
without disconnecting it from the chain, I decided to leave it in place.  Dave

Aries
1990 C&C 34+
New London, CT


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