Exactly A boat with original 1970s or 1980s instruments with some not working and very old sails shows me a boat that has not had money spent on it by an owner that either absolutely cannot afford it or one who is cheap and content to use up what previous owners paid for. That boat will likely also sufer from inadequate maintenance on engine and other key systems.
The Crusader that Joe linked to is an example of the opposite. In addition to being a very handsome design there are indications all over that boat that continuous upgrades have taken place. The engine panel and engine look like a recent repower. The instruments are recent and the galley has been overhauled with both refrigeration and stove replaced. That is one very nice looking boat! Mike -----Original Message----- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 9:51 AM To: 'cnc-list@cnc-list.com' Cc: Della Barba, Joe Subject: Re: Stus-List Possible upgrade to a C&C 36 - now also landfall 38 Good suggestions. In today's market, I would be looking for a well-loved boat that does NOT need engine, sails, or cushions. If you have to do all three the boat would need to be nearly free for it make sense. If you go old school, this is 4'3" board up: http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1970/C%26C-Yachts-Crusader-40-2968402/Manchester-by-the-Sea/MA/United-States#.V8A5G4f2ZDw I would pick a good 36 over a bad LF38 and vice versa. We have a lot of LF38 expertise on this list. One thing I know is a PITA with them is the foamed-in-place fuel tank will eventually leak and it is not easy to get out. My tank rusted through too, but on the 35 MK I tank removal is a 15 minute job and it is a standard size available at West Marine. I am on my third engine and the 35 MK I is an easy boat for changing engines. It takes about an hour to get the engine out myself using ship's tackle. The LF38 is a bit trickier with the V-drive. Joe Coquina -----Original Message----- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 8:37 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Hoyt, Mike Subject: Re: Stus-List Possible upgrade to a C&C 36 - now also landfall 38 Our former port had 2.5 feet to get in channel at moon low tide. We sailed for years with Hinterhoeller Niagara 26 at 4' draft and then for a bunch more years with J27 at 4.9 foot draft. That same marina had a C&C 99 (5.5ft) for years and currently has a C&C 34, a C&C 35-1, a C&C 35-3 and a number of the C&C30s. We visited this summer with current boat (6.25 ft). So long as you pay attention to the tides it is not an issue. The C&C 30 with its shallow keel seems very well suited to the area as it only draws 5' and the keel shape is good for bouncing over objects .... As to the 1981 C&C 36? Our family bought the standard keel 1981 model new in Fall 1980 and had it for 9 seasons. The interior is very similar to the C&C 35-3. A big feature was standing headroom for my 6'3" father and bunks for 6 (we had a large family). We never found the boat particularly tender but then we did not sail on many other mid 30 foot boats at the time so did not have a frame of reference. Compared to our later Niagara 26 I would call the 36 stiff. I always thought it was a wonderful boat and our thinking at the time it was discontinued for the 35-3 was that the 29-2, 35-3 and 27-V replaced the larger 30, 36 and 27-4 as a way to sell a less expensive boat to the same market. All these old boats are good but they are indeed old. I would suggest you find the one with the best access to engine and most comfortable interior combined with evidence it has been much loved over its life (new sails, instruments, cushions etc ....). These boats we are discussing are all ancient and the engines will require constant maintenance and repair. Our 3GM30F on or Frers 33 is jammed into an extremely small area with horrible access and yet I have been forced to work on or around it a number of times over the past 3 seasons. OTOH the sail inventory is quite new as are the instruments, windows and many other features that tell me that each of the previous 3 owners lavished the boat and this attention would cover all aspects of its maintenance Mike Persistence 1987 Frers 33 Halifax, NS -----Original Message----- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Doyle via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 5:44 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Ryan Doyle Subject: Re: Stus-List Possible upgrade to a C&C 36 - now also landfall 38 Thanks guys. The wife is actually focusing in on Landfall 38's, but they are pricier. Although, they do seem better suited to cruising. Regarding draft - my home port is on the Barnegat Bay where when you tell people you have a 5' draft they say "oh wow... so you a deep draft boat..." I've survived with a 5' draft long enough though, and the landfall 38 is 4'11". Every inch helps on the barnegat! Going to take a hard look now at the landfall 35 and 38 as well.. Thanks guys. Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 25, 2016, at 4:33 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote: > > Re: Possible upgrade to a C&C 36 _______________________________________________ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! _______________________________________________ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. 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