“Third, holding a sail out by hand may also be illegal under the crew position 
rules. “ This does violate sailing rules in most places since one end must be 
attached to the mast.  It is impossible to measure a pole that is not attached 
to a fixed point.  Some casual venues may let you get away with using this but 
you should not do it in any open regattas.

“First, poles to leeward may be illegal in some venues. “ This used to be the 
case over a decade ago but I believe changed in the RRS approx 2003. Prior to 
that was illegal to have two poles (boom and spin pole) same side of boat but 
seems now to be just fine

Mike
Persistence

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C. 
via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, August 05, 2016 6:27 PM
To: CnClist
Cc: Dennis C.
Subject: Re: Stus-List Finally Won a Race now reaching strut

Just a couple comments.  First, poles to leeward may be illegal in some venues. 
 Read the SI's (Sailing Instructions).
Second, a reaching strut holds the spinnaker guy outboard to increase the angle 
and take load off the guy and compressive load off the spin pole.
Third, holding a sail out by hand may also be illegal under the crew position 
rules.  In my area if you didn't get protested, you'd certainly hear about it 
at the bar.  You also can't use a boat hook in most races.  The pole must be 
attached to the mast.
Read your rules and sailing instructions carefully on these practices.
Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Fri, Aug 5, 2016 at 4:18 PM, Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Hi David,

Yeah we do it all the time, it's also called a reaching strut. On our boats, 
the whisker pole is overkill and kind of too big / heavy anyway.  Since we only 
do it in very light winds I just get Nicholas to grab the boat hook, push the 
clew out with it, hold it by hand  / prop it on the coach roof.

It does make a significant difference in 0-4 knot wind as your genny has some 
kind of shape as opposed to just hanging half folded up.  Last race (Nicholas 
my teenage son was the skipper) and the wind was so slight I was actually 
holding the clue by hand (We were on a close reach), this way I had finer 
control.. And we walked away from everybody by a good margin at the slightest 
puff.  It may not be the ideal angle / shape but it beats the heck out of 
hanging like a limp flag.. Our competition said: Man! at the slightest wheeze 
of wind you guys left us for dead...

Even better: Get a drifter headsail.. It's basically a genoa made out of .5 - 
1.0 oz spinnaker material.. They start pulling at the slightest puff and are 
relatively cheap. As long as it fits on your foil or is hanked on your forestay 
it counts as a genoa, not a spin. It's on my shopping list for sails hopefully 
sooner than later

Also, the boat does really well broad reaching at 148-160 degrees true angle 
wing on wing with the whisker pole forward towards the forestay kind of like 
reaching with a conventional spinnaker.  This way you're wing on wing but have 
a speed advantage compared to DD by being at very advantageous angle from a 
Polars standpoint.  As long as it does not take you too far of course to get to 
your mark that's a good way to go as well.  Good for very slight winds too.


Good luck,

-Francois Rivard
1990 34+ "Take Five"
Lake Lanier, GA





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We had a very light wind race on Wednesday and the downwind leg was a reach to 
broad reach   I could not get the genoa to sit well and then I noticed one of 
the other boats had the whisker pole to leeward holding the clew out.  I tried 
it and it seemed to help. Is this something others do?  Dave



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