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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Head Foil Feed Funnel (Sam Wheeler)
2. Re: Throttle Cable Adjustment (Kevin Driscoll)
3. Re: Head Foil Feed Funnel (randy.staff...@comcast.net)
4. Re: Head Foil Feed Funnel (Sam Wheeler)
5. Re: Throttle Cable Adjustment (Jake Brodersen)
6. Re: Throttle Cable Adjustment (Dave)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 15:38:50 -0700
From: Sam Wheeler <samwheeler.s...@gmail.com>
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Head Foil Feed Funnel
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Ouch.
My version of Lesson 1 was when I was in college and an older alumnus
invited our team to race with him on his Serendipity 43. We went out for a
practice day, and as team captain and one of the only people with
non-dinghy race experience, I ended up as the de facto crew chief.
We get the spinnaker up and call for a jibe. Foredeck crew dips the pole
and gets it hooked up on the new guy, but it's not coming aft, so I yell to
the 6'8" dude on the primary winch to keep cranking.
The ensuing explosion of carbon fiber shards taught me a valuable lesson
about baby stays.
Sam
35-3
SF
On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 9:13 PM, Randy Stafford via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
It's in 18 feet of murky questionable marina water that I'd prefer not to
swim in, even if I could see my hand in front of my face :)
Turns out I got great customer service from Head Foil. I sent them a
picture and description of the half I didn't drop overboard, and they dated
it to the first years of their company - early 70s, meaning my luff support
system was probably original. They looked but couldn't find a replacement
part. So I'm getting a new Head Foil system after a 44-year service life
on the previous one. Not sure the replacement feed funnel have would have
been a complete fix anyway, because some of the plastic extrusion
underneath it cracked and broke off. Without a new system I'm worried that
sharp plastic edges might cut luff tapes of headsails being hoisted. The
new Head Foil system is significantly less expensive than competing systems
or furlers. I called / emailed the company on Saturday morning and they
called me back within a few hours. My new system shipped today. I'll
report back after installing and using it.
There's actually more to the story. Went out for a leisure sail with
family, and the genoa foot fouled on a horn cleat during the hoist. My
daughter's boyfriend (big strong kid) kept hauling on the halyard until the
feed funnel blew apart. Both halves were still dangling by one of two
screws holding them together (the other screw blew out somewhere during the
hoist). When we got back to the marina I went to take all the parts off
the forestay to see if I could find replacement screws and re-assemble the
whole thing, and that's when I dropped the part overboard. But I'm not
sure reassembly would have worked anyway because of the broken plastic.
The lessons: (1) if a sail is not going up like you expect, something is
wrong, and continuing to haul on the halyard will only break something; (2)
be careful not to drop shit overboard :)
Cheers,
Randy
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Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 22:42:06 +0000
From: Kevin Driscoll <kevindrisc...@gmail.com>
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Throttle Cable Adjustment
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I tried adjusting the friction screw on our 30-2 edson and resorted to
bungee after not finding the sweet spot...if there is one.
- Without the bungee, the throttle settles back to about 2400rpm, but
doesn't go lower than that.
- Lower throttle positions stay where I leave them.
- I need the bungee to hold it at 2800-3200rpm. The bungee won't speed
it up, even from idle, but it adds resistance so that it won't slip back
either.
The small bungee works surprising well and I would *almost* never advocate
for redneck engineering solutions.
KD
On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 1:55 PM ahycrace--- via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
I put a small clam cleat on the pedestal and use a small pc of rope. It
always stays put.
Gary Kolc
---- mike amirault via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
There should be a saddle clamp on the throttle cable inside the STBD
cockpit locker, near the companionway. Tighten it down to provide more
resistance in the cable. I have seen several C&C 33ii boats with this and I
know the tartan 35 has the same config. I suspect this was an Edson
solution.
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Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 23:40:34 +0000 (UTC)
From: randy.staff...@comcast.net
To: cnc-list <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Head Foil Feed Funnel
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Ouch is right :) That was about a $500 lesson, but who knows how much longer a
44-year old extruded plastic luff support system would have lasted anyway. It
had some other visible deterioration. But probably not as expensive a lesson as
replacing a carbon fiber spin pole :)
Cheers,
Randy
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From: "Sam Wheeler via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
To: "cnc-list" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Cc: "Sam Wheeler" <samwheeler.s...@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 4:38:50 PM
Subject: Re: Stus-List Head Foil Feed Funnel
Ouch.
My version of Lesson 1 was when I was in college and an older alumnus invited
our team to race with him on his Serendipity 43. We went out for a practice
day, and as team captain and one of the only people with non-dinghy race
experience, I ended up as the de facto crew chief.
We get the spinnaker up and call for a jibe. Foredeck crew dips the pole and gets it
hooked up on the new guy, but it's not coming aft, so I yell to the 6'8" dude
on the primary winch to keep cranking.
The ensuing explosion of carbon fiber shards taught me a valuable lesson about
baby stays.
Sam
35-3
SF
On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 9:13 PM, Randy Stafford via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com > wrote:
It's in 18 feet of murky questionable marina water that I'd prefer not to swim
in, even if I could see my hand in front of my face :)
Turns out I got great customer service from Head Foil. I sent them a picture
and description of the half I didn't drop overboard, and they dated it to the
first years of their company - early 70s, meaning my luff support system was
probably original. They looked but couldn't find a replacement part. So I'm
getting a new Head Foil system after a 44-year service life on the previous
one. Not sure the replacement feed funnel have would have been a complete fix
anyway, because some of the plastic extrusion underneath it cracked and broke
off. Without a new system I'm worried that sharp plastic edges might cut luff
tapes of headsails being hoisted. The new Head Foil system is significantly
less expensive than competing systems or furlers. I called / emailed the
company on Saturday morning and they called me back within a few hours. My new
system shipped today. I'll report back after installing and using it.
There's actually more to the story. Went out for a leisure sail with family,
and the genoa foot fouled on a horn cleat during the hoist. My daughter's
boyfriend (big strong kid) kept hauling on the halyard until the feed funnel
blew apart. Both halves were still dangling by one of two screws holding them
together (the other screw blew out somewhere during the hoist). When we got
back to the marina I went to take all the parts off the forestay to see if I
could find replacement screws and re-assemble the whole thing, and that's when
I dropped the part overboard. But I'm not sure reassembly would have worked
anyway because of the broken plastic. The lessons: (1) if a sail is not going
up like you expect, something is wrong, and continuing to haul on the halyard
will only break something; (2) be careful not to drop shit overboard :)
Cheers,
Randy
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Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 16:48:09 -0700
From: Sam Wheeler <samwheeler.s...@gmail.com>
To: cnc-list <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Head Foil Feed Funnel
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Yeah, sounds like it might have been getting to that point. Maybe better
for it to fail on a hoist than underway in heavy air, too.
In my case, amazingly, it turned out the pole was fixable with a fiberglass
collar around the break. The owner was surprisingly calm about the whole
thing. Apparently he had switched from a metal pole to carbon specifically
so that an incident like that would break the pole rather than bring the
rig down.
Sam
35-3
SF
On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 4:40 PM, <randy.staff...@comcast.net> wrote:
Ouch is right :) That was about a $500 lesson, but who knows how much
longer a 44-year old extruded plastic luff support system would have lasted
anyway. It had some other visible deterioration. But probably not as
expensive a lesson as replacing a carbon fiber spin pole :)
Cheers,
Randy
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*From: *"Sam Wheeler via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
*To: *"cnc-list" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
*Cc: *"Sam Wheeler" <samwheeler.s...@gmail.com>
*Sent: *Tuesday, May 24, 2016 4:38:50 PM
*Subject: *Re: Stus-List Head Foil Feed Funnel
Ouch.
My version of Lesson 1 was when I was in college and an older alumnus
invited our team to race with him on his Serendipity 43. We went out for a
practice day, and as team captain and one of the only people with
non-dinghy race experience, I ended up as the de facto crew chief.
We get the spinnaker up and call for a jibe. Foredeck crew dips the pole
and gets it hooked up on the new guy, but it's not coming aft, so I yell to
the 6'8" dude on the primary winch to keep cranking.
The ensuing explosion of carbon fiber shards taught me a valuable lesson
about baby stays.
Sam
35-3
SF
On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 9:13 PM, Randy Stafford via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
It's in 18 feet of murky questionable marina water that I'd prefer not to
swim in, even if I could see my hand in front of my face :)
Turns out I got great customer service from Head Foil. I sent them a
picture and description of the half I didn't drop overboard, and they dated
it to the first years of their company - early 70s, meaning my luff support
system was probably original. They looked but couldn't find a replacement
part. So I'm getting a new Head Foil system after a 44-year service life
on the previous one. Not sure the replacement feed funnel have would have
been a complete fix anyway, because some of the plastic extrusion
underneath it cracked and broke off. Without a new system I'm worried that
sharp plastic edges might cut luff tapes of headsails being hoisted. The
new Head Foil system is significantly less expensive than competing systems
or furlers. I called / emailed the company on Saturday morning and they
called me back within a few hours. My new system shipped today. I'll
report back after installing and using it.
There's actually more to the story. Went out for a leisure sail with
family, and the genoa foot fouled on a horn cleat during the hoist. My
daughter's boyfriend (big strong kid) kept hauling on the halyard until the
feed funnel blew apart. Both halves were still dangling by one of two
screws holding them together (the other screw blew out somewhere during the
hoist). When we got back to the marina I went to take all the parts off
the forestay to see if I could find replacement screws and re-assemble the
whole thing, and that's when I dropped the part overboard. But I'm not
sure reassembly would have worked anyway because of the broken plastic.
The lessons: (1) if a sail is not going up like you expect, something is
wrong, and continuing to haul on the halyard will only break something; (2)
be careful not to drop shit overboard :)
Cheers,
Randy
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Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 20:59:51 -0400
From: "Jake Brodersen" <captain_j...@cox.net>
To: <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Throttle Cable Adjustment
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Lee,
I have a small clamp over my throttle cable that keeps it from slipping. It
needs a tweak every couple years, but is very reliable and cheap.
Jake
Jake Brodersen
C&C 35 Mk-III ?Midnight Mistress?
Hampton VA
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Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 12:17
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Cc: Lee Rosenbaum <rosenbau...@gmail.com>
Subject: Stus-List Throttle Cable Adjustment
Having an issue with my throttle cable not staying at RPM above 2,000. It falls
right after I let go. I can set it higher when moving it at the engine, but not at
the helm. How does one adjust the cable on a 1985 C&C 33-2? Or is there a way
to oil the cable? PO used a bungee cord to hold it at higher RPM.
Thanks,
Lee
Kookaburra 1985 33-2
Kenosha, WI
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 22:18:46 -0400
From: Dave <syerd...@gmail.com>
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Throttle Cable Adjustment
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Bingo, saddle clamp in locker. Couldn't believe it when I first saw it, seems
crude. Mine is fairly tight and always left me wondering if two (each less
tight) would be preferable. Can't help thinking there's got to be a better
way....
Dave
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Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 17:31:12 -0300
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Subject: Re: Stus-List Throttle Cable Adjustment
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There should be a saddle clamp on the throttle cable inside the STBD cockpit
locker, near the companionway. Tighten it down to provide more resistance in the
cable. I have seen several C&C 33ii boats with this and I know the tartan 35
has the same config. I suspect this was an Edson solution.
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