Brian, Another benefit of replacing the drive plate is that the springs that absorb shock between the engine and tranny can wear their surrounding metal carrier on the plate or break altogether, and if the spring has too much room to move around, it won’t cushion the shock of engagement when you put the engine into gear. That can cause broken teeth in the transmission or worse.
Best to do it while the whole shebang is out of the boat… Chuck Gilchrest S/V Half Magic 1983 LF 35 Padanaram, MA From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of svpegasu...@gmail.com via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, May 5, 2016 2:41 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: svpegasu...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Paragon Transmission Brian, while I have not had to remove my transmission. It may be rusted to the drive plate which is bolted to the flywheel. Support the transmission and pry back on the transmission. Try to put equal pressure on both sides. As long as you have the transmission out I would recommend replacing the drive plate. Lube the splines well. There should be like a 6 inch adapter between the transmission and the v-drive unit which will slide on to splines of both units. This should be a double u-joint. At least it is on Pegasus. Can't imagine yours is different. Email me directly if you want. svpegasu...@gmail.com <mailto:svpegasu...@gmail.com> Doug Mountjoy svPegasus LF38 just west of Ballard, WA. ------ Original message------ From: Brian Davis via CnC-List Date: Thu, May 5, 2016 06:44 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> ; Cc: Brian Davis; Subject:Re: Stus-List Paragon Transmission Just curious if anyone else has had trouble removing the transmission from their boat? My LF 38 has a Paragon Vdrive connected to a Yanmar 30hp. The Vdrive came off without issue and I got the bolts completely out of the trans that go into the bell housing. I've been told that it should "come right out", but I can even get it to budge. It was newly installed 3 years ago by the PO and has been way inland in dry dock until a month ago. So I wouldn't think its corroded that badly if at all...at least it doesn't look that way. Maybe they used a sealant...which I was told it doesn't need since it's a dry fit. I've tried a mallet and piece of wood to smack the front and rear of it....nothing...smacked it pretty darn good too. I like to think I'm a pretty strong and young guy...and I ate my biscuits n gravy 2 mornings in a row now....still nothing. Any tips or tricks that anybody has used with success? Regards, Brian On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 9:31 AM, Brian Davis <brianwdavis...@gmail.com <mailto:brianwdavis...@gmail.com> > wrote: Thank you, Doug. I appreciate the support and advice. I successfully removed the vdrive late last night without to much trouble...while listening to the relaxing sounds of the storm that passed through. Lol. I also got the bolts off the trans that connect to the yanmar, but she's not budging. It was late so I decided to pause for the day and resume after work today again. It is heavy indeed since I still have the old one the PO saved. I'm canceling my gym membership after carrying it to and from my storage unit to the boat. I'm thinking the gasket is probably sticking and she needs some encouragement of sorts, but I don't want to start hammering on it and have it come out and land on the shaft. So, I'm not sure of the best approach to next steps... Also, I'm not totally sure what you mean by "In the curved adapter is a universal joint that is splined to the transmission output shaft." The Vdrive pulled right off after disconnecting the cooling hoses... Thanks again for the input. She's a beautiful boat and I'm enjoying finishing up the restoration that the PO started. Regards, Brian On Tue, May 3, 2016 at 7:50 PM, svpegasu...@gmail.com <mailto:svpegasu...@gmail.com> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote: Hi Brian, and welcome. I have the Paragon trans and V-drive in Pegasus. I was told by a marine mechanic (that repaired paragons) that you have to hold it in reverse. There is no detent. As for removing it yourself. Pull the V-drive first, remove it from the transmission. In the curved adapter is a universal joint that is splined to the transmission output shaft. Next remove the transmission. Carefull it is heavy. Good luck. You have a great boat. Doug Mountjoy svPegasus LF38 1979 just west of Ballard, WA. ------ Original message------ From: Brian Davis via CnC-List Date: Tue, May 3, 2016 11:53 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> ; Cc: Brian Davis; Subject:Re: Stus-List Paragon Transmission https://www.dropbox.com/s/uzo7ugqxmzlhv9w/paragon.pdf?dl=0 Here is a picture of the break.. On Tue, May 3, 2016 at 2:33 PM, Brian Davis via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote: Dear Members, I'm new to the list, but have found a lot of beneficial reading belonging to the list. I purchased a 1980 Landfall 38 SL a couple of months ago. "Nina" was in dry dock at Indiantown Marina in Florida for nearly 3 years before I bought her. We launched her 4 weeks ago and motored her down to North Palm Beach pending the availability of our slip further south. The halyards are in desperate need of replacing, which is why we motored the whole way...plus the diesel needed a good running after so long anyhow. The fuel was 3 years old, but had stabilizer. Amazingly, she fired right up and purred like a tiger the whole way... She's a beautiful vessel for sure!! The PO did a lot of restorations to her one of which was a complete rebuild of the Yanmar 30hp and Vdrive. The Paragon transmission he replaced as well and he happed to find one in Michigan that was still brand new from 1980...believe it our not. I'm having an issue with the Reverse gear engaging and wondering if it's me or the trans. When I carefully shift her into Reverse she does seem to fully engage or stay in gear. I'm getting mixed feedback and hoping that somebody with the same set up can clarify. The shifter is on the wheel column while the throttle is on the side of the cockpit. Should I have to continuously hold the shifter down in reverse to keep it engaged?? Forward works great and there is a positive lock or click once I engage the shifter up into gear. However, once back off on the throttle, move it to neutral, then into reverse, and then giver her juice it doesn't seem to either slow the boat or move into reverse. To make matters worse, I was reading the Paragon instruction sheet that I received from the PO and I attempted to "adjust" it as directed. I made about a 1/2 to 3/4 turn (not torqueing by any means) and it cracked. After several inappropriate words to myself, I was able to contact a local trans shop and they said it must be removed and brought in and completely taken apart in order to replace the part. I happen to have the original trans so I hope I can pull that piece and reuse it...otherwise they said it could take months to get a replacement piece. After a conversation with the PO he sent me the number of the place in Michigan where he bought it. I spoke with them and sent the pics....waiting to hear back from them on advice. In the meantime I wanted to reach out to my fellow C&C owners for advice. I'm very handy and am considering pulling the trans and replacing it myself. Suggestions are welcome! But, I'm still curious as to why the reverse wasn't engaging.... thoughts? Kind regards, Brian Davis ..dead in the water, but at least at a marina in sunny FL.. <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=icon> Virus-free. <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=link> www.avast.com _______________________________________________ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. 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