Patrick,

I also have a PIY PSS shaft seal and I am happy with it. I installed it 3 years 
ago and, of course, it is like new. There is not a single drop of water coming 
through it. So if you like your bilge dry, this is, certainly, a way.

It seems that people who have it, love it; most critical comments comes from 
people who don’t have it.

I don’t regret replacing the traditional packing gland with the PSS. However, 
there is another way – you can use some Gore-Tex stuffing and have not-dripping 
stuffing box, as well. Since yours is seized, you need to replace it anyway. 
That route might be simpler. Not to mention that your future maintenance could 
be done on the water and without removing the shaft.

Marek Dziedzic
1994 C270 “Legato”
Ottawa, ON

From: Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 04:52
To: C&C List 
Cc: Josh Muckley 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Stuffing box options on LF38

I have a PIY/PSS shaft seal and I have never had a problem. Though on another 
boat I saw the bellows become weak, add in the soft engine mounts and forward 
drive, and we had leaks. Mine came with the boat so it is at least 4 years old. 
I keep an eye on it as well as replacement options. At the boat show last year 
I saw a different option to the PSS. I was impressed with use of spring tension 
instead of bellows tension. I'll probably buy this product instead of the PSS 
when it is time.

http://www.sailorsams.com/lasdrop-shaft-seals

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD 

On Apr 24, 2016 12:41 PM, "Patrick Davin via CnC-List" <[email protected]> 
wrote:

  Sorry for so many questions, but I bit off a bit much on this haul-out... and 
I searched the list archives but didn't find much discussion of alternate 
stuffing boxes. 


  My stuffing box is also seized and the packing needs to be replaced. On the 
LF38 the stuffing box is under the engine oil pan (v-drive configuration) with 
only 4-5" clearance to the sides for a wrench. I haven't found any wrench that 
fits yet. A prior owner recommended 3" C-clamps, and those work, sort of, but I 
can't get enough leverage - even hammering on it the seized locking nut hasn't 
budged. 

  I'm starting to think that if I finish dropping the rudder this weekend then 
I should just pull the prop shaft (partially, because my cutless bearing 
doesn't need replacing) and get a new stuffing box. 

  I know Wally swapped his out for a new Buck Algonquin nut style one - the 
same as the original but a slightly nicer newer model, and less corroded 
obviously. 

  Unfortunately it looks like Buck Algonquin doesn't make the gland style 
packing box (with 4 bolts that are easily adjustable in tight spaces) for prop 
shafts smaller than 1 1/4" (ours is 1 1/8"). That design would be my 
preference. 

  PSS dripless is about the same price though, and tempting... except for two 
caveats: 

  - replacement schedule of the rubber belows is recommended at 6 to 10 years. 
I don't like that the rubber looks less durable than the 5-ply hose which 
should last 20 years. I could accept this shortcoming though, especially if 
it's 10 years. 
  - PSS warns against having oil, fuel or any petroleum products contacting the 
belows. LF38 stuffing box is below the engine's oil pan. Oil or fuel is going 
to drip on it at some point! Even if you're pretty meticulous about leaks. I 
emailed PSS about this but haven't heard back.

  I could build a baffle / catch tray of some sorts, and just check it 
regularly. Has anyone else installed one in tight quarters and/or below an 
engine, and has it been a good decision?

  -Patrick
  1984 C&C Landfall 38
  Seattle, WA




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