Here is my $.02 (CDN) worth on the rudder question: After a long time with looking up NACA designs, discussing with serious designers on boat forums and reading the Marcaj book on the aero-hydro dynamics of sailing AND designing a new and improved foil, I decided to give Competition Composites a try with mine for my CC 35-2. I gave them my old rudder and they build up a brand new one built around my old post and while I haven't raced since I relaunched 2 years ago, the rudder feels great.
Thanks, Alex Giannelia CC 35-2 #282 Toronto -----Original Message----- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com Sent: March-19-16 9:31 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: CnC-List Digest, Vol 122, Issue 61 Send CnC-List mailing list submissions to cnc-list@cnc-list.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com You can reach the person managing the list at cnc-list-ow...@cnc-list.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of CnC-List digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Teak and Holly Floor (randy.staff...@comcast.net) 2. Keel Smile (Ainslie) 3. Re: Fire blankets (Jim Watts) 4. Re: Teak and Holly Floor (Joseph Bognar) 5. Re: Fire blankets (Joe Della Barba) 6. Re: Fire blankets (Bill Coleman) 7. Re: Rudder replacement (Rjcasciato) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2016 17:34:57 +0000 (UTC) From: randy.staff...@comcast.net To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Teak and Holly Floor Message-ID: <986589503.262910.1458408897926.javamail.zim...@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" That's beautiful. Nice work Eric, and thanks for sharing Erik and Stu. Cheers, Randy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stu via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> To: "C&C Email List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: "Stu" <s...@cncphotoalbum.com> Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2016 7:52:52 AM Subject: Stus-List Teak and Holly Floor Eric Dinn has provided a very good sequence of photos of his teak and holly floor installation. The installation was done on Arbutus, a 1974 C&C 30 MK I, out of Comox, BC, Canada. It?s on the Photo Album at: http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/doityourself/teak_holly_floor/ Stu _______________________________________________ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20160319/78429674/attachment-0001.html> ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2016 14:07:30 -0400 From: "Ainslie" <ains...@hay.net> To: <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Subject: Stus-List Keel Smile Message-ID: <9B89014A17494AB19EE49268FA2C23C0@User1PC> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" My keel joint seems to be opening up; there wasn't much sign of it at haul out, but now it's noticeable. Also, you can see something oozing from the crack. Whatever it is has an oily texture so I'm guessing it's coming from the bilge. In the first photo, the vertical stain is the same oily ooze coming from a welt higher up on the keel stub. I think I have to address it because if something can get out, then surely water can get in. Three options: a)rout out the crack and fill with epoxy; b) fill it with 5200 (on the premise that the keel 'wants' to flex laterally, so fill it with something flexible); or c)see how it progresses this season and see if I have an autumn project? I don't think (c) is the best option. I've done this kind of work before - I'd appreciate hearing what the Listers say. http://jainslieblog.blogspot.ca/ Could this have been caused by the way it's sitting in the cradle? FYI, this keel is a modified bulb, done by MarsKeel about 9 years ago. Thanks for any input. Jason Ainslie, Spirit 1984 C&C 35-3 Port of Bayfield -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Sent from Joe Bognar > On Mar 19, 2016, at 9:52 AM, Stu via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > Eric Dinn has provided a very good sequence of photos of his teak and holly > floor installation. > > The installation was done on Arbutus, a 1974 C&C 30 MK I, out of Comox, BC, > Canada. > > It?s on the Photo Album at: > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/doityourself/teak_holly_floor/ > > Stu > > > _______________________________________________ > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom > of page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Fortunately I was on-board in both, awake on one, woken up by the second. I did not use the fire blanket though. Incidentally, first one was in the bilge due to a seized bilge pump, and the second one was a faulty charger on a high tech jumstarter. Both would have burned the boat down (1 ft flames licking the liner) if I had not been there. I have the fire blanket in case if there is an issue with the stove, such as an oil fire Ahmet On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 7:58 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote: Any listers have a fire blanket onboard? Ever had to use one or see one used? Opinions? Dennis C. 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CO2 extinguishers tend to be fairly big and halon is expensive now.??Joe Della barba...@dellabarba.com?CoquinaFrom: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Sailnomad via CnC-List Sent: Friday, March 18, 2016 8:39 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Sailnomad <sailno...@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List Fire blankets?have one. It is pretty big, about the size of a backpack.I had 2 fires in the past 2 years. Fortunately I was on-board in both, awake on one, woken up by the second.? I did not use the fire blanket though.?Incidentally, first one was in the bilge due to a seized bilge pump, and the second one was a faulty charger on a high tech jumstarter.Both would have burned the boat down (1 ft flames licking the liner) if I had not been there.I have the fire blanket in case if there is an issue with the stove, such as an oil fireAhmet???On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 7:58 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:Any listers have a fire blanket onboard?Ever had to use one or see one used?Opinions?Dennis C.Touche' 35-1 #83Mandeville, LA?? _______________________________________________ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Best, Ron Casciato _____ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Graham Collins via CnC-List Sent: Friday, March 18, 2016 6:53 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Graham Collins Subject: Re: Stus-List Rudder replacement Whoops, re-read Bruno's earlier email and realize we are talking the same place. Graham Collins Secret Plans C&C 35-III #11 On 2016-03-18 7:50 PM, Graham Collins via CnC-List wrote: It is possible to do a DIY job to a NACA profile, it just takes some time to plot the proper profiles out and use them as templates. It was NOT a trivial DIY job though, be sure of your abilities first. As Ken mentioned, I did rebuild mine. It was saturated, and cracked during the winter. When I pulled the skins off I was happy I'd decided to rebuild as the welds holding the frame to the post were dramatically corroded. I had a new frame welded on, applied and shaped new foam, and put glass on top. Very happy with the result. I kept the same outline shape (in case anyone is thinking of turning me in to the PHRF folks...), but shaped it to NACA foils. It was not shaped like that before. Very happy with the results. Within Canada there is also Competition Composites (AKA Phil's Foils) in Ottawa. They will re-use the post if you want and will CNC cut the profile in the foam, so super accurate. Graham Collins Secret Plans C&C 35-III #11 On 2016-03-18 4:46 PM, Bruno Lachance via CnC-List wrote: Doing the research about replacement/repair and different profiles of rudders i became quite obsessed with the importance of the design and precision of the profile (ref. NACA profiles). So a DIY job was quickly out of question. The boat is not a 40 kts foiler but i do race the boat and wanted a nice rudder. The small local yard quote was over 2500$ for a complete rebuild, that would have been very ok, but still an eyeball job. At this point i decided to go all the way crazy and give the job to the pros. Don't regret it, i almost cried when i opened the box it was so beutiful! There is a lot of good info on their website, even a video of the fabrication process. I have now a keel fairing job on my to do list, but not a priority at this point. Bruno Lachance C&C 33mkII 87' B?cassine New-Richmond, Qc _____ To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2016 15:55:22 -0300 Subject: Re: Stus-List Rudder replacement From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com CC: amira...@bellaliant.net Thanks for the info about your rudder replacement,Bruno. Good company to keep in mind if I ever need to do mine. Better to deal with a Canadian company with our dollar being so low right now. 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