Here is my $.02 (CDN) worth on the rudder question:  After a long time with 
looking up NACA designs, discussing with serious designers on boat forums and 
reading the Marcaj book on the aero-hydro dynamics of sailing AND designing a 
new and improved foil, I decided to give Competition Composites a try with mine 
for my CC 35-2.  I gave them my old rudder and they build up a brand new one 
built around my old post and while I haven't raced since I relaunched 2 years 
ago, the rudder feels great.


Thanks,


Alex Giannelia
CC 35-2 #282
Toronto

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   1. Re:  Teak and Holly Floor (randy.staff...@comcast.net)
   2.  Keel Smile (Ainslie)
   3. Re:  Fire blankets (Jim Watts)
   4. Re:  Teak and Holly Floor (Joseph Bognar)
   5. Re:  Fire blankets (Joe Della Barba)
   6. Re:  Fire blankets (Bill Coleman)
   7. Re:  Rudder replacement (Rjcasciato)


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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2016 17:34:57 +0000 (UTC)
From: randy.staff...@comcast.net
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Subject: Re: Stus-List Teak and Holly Floor
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That's beautiful. Nice work Eric, and thanks for sharing Erik and Stu. 

Cheers,
Randy 

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Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2016 7:52:52 AM
Subject: Stus-List Teak and Holly Floor 

Eric Dinn has provided a very good sequence of photos of his teak and holly 
floor installation. 
The installation was done on Arbutus, a 1974 C&C 30 MK I, out of Comox, BC, 
Canada. 
It?s on the Photo Album at: 
http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/doityourself/teak_holly_floor/
Stu 

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Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2016 14:07:30 -0400
From: "Ainslie" <ains...@hay.net>
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Subject: Stus-List Keel Smile
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My keel joint seems to be opening up; there wasn't much sign of it at haul
out, but now it's noticeable. Also, you can see something oozing from the
crack. Whatever it is has an oily texture so I'm guessing it's coming from
the bilge. In the first photo, the vertical stain is the same oily ooze
coming from a welt higher up on the keel stub. I think I have to address it
because if something can get out, then surely water can get in. Three
options: a)rout out the crack and fill with epoxy; b) fill it with 5200 (on
the premise that the keel 'wants' to flex laterally, so fill it with
something flexible); or c)see how it progresses this season and see if I
have an autumn project? I don't think (c) is the best option. I've done this
kind of work before - I'd appreciate hearing what the Listers say.

 

http://jainslieblog.blogspot.ca/

 

Could this have been caused by the way it's sitting in the cradle? FYI, this
keel is a modified bulb, done by MarsKeel about 9 years ago. Thanks for any
input.

 

Jason Ainslie, Spirit

1984 C&C 35-3

Port of Bayfield

 

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Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2016 11:13:28 -0700
From: Jim Watts <paradigmat...@gmail.com>
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I bought one of the $10 Home Depot ones after going through the Safety at
Sea seminar last year. It immediately got repurposed to the home
firefighting team, but has thankfully not been used yet.
Now I have to buy another one for the boat.


Jim Watts
Paradigm Shift
C&C 35 Mk III
Victoria, BC
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Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2016 14:30:27 -0400
From: Joseph Bognar <jbog...@sympatico.ca>
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My boat came with a teak and holly sole . It was actually a pine I think with 
dark strips as apposed to the dark teak strips . The galley was cut into pieces 
. There were spacers over the bilge to make it level. I custom cut the VEE 
berth. Not as good a job as Eric but it will do . I was lucky to have the old 
floor to use as a pattern . My floor was screwed down . The only issue I had 
was by my ice box . The screw hole was right where the cabin sole meet the hull 
and I drilled right through my hull . Oops . It's all good now. Lessons learned 
.

Sent from Joe Bognar


> On Mar 19, 2016, at 9:52 AM, Stu via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> 
> Eric Dinn has provided a very good sequence of photos of his teak and holly 
> floor installation.
>  
> The installation was done on Arbutus, a 1974 C&C 30 MK I, out of Comox, BC, 
> Canada.
>  
> It?s on the Photo Album at:
> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/doityourself/teak_holly_floor/
>  
> Stu
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Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2016 16:26:31 -0400
From: "Joe Della Barba" <j...@dellabarba.com>
To: <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Fire blankets
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CO2 and halon are very nice ways to put out a fire without destroying the 
interior. 

CO2 extinguishers tend to be fairly big and halon is expensive now.

 

 

Joe Della Barba

j...@dellabarba.com <mailto:j...@dellabarba.com> 

 

Coquina

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Sent: Friday, March 18, 2016 8:39 PM
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Subject: Re: Stus-List Fire blankets

 

have one. It is pretty big, about the size of a backpack.

I had 2 fires in the past 2 years. Fortunately I was on-board in both, awake on 
one, woken up by the second. 
I did not use the fire blanket though. 

Incidentally, first one was in the bilge due to a seized bilge pump, and the 
second one was a faulty charger on a high tech jumstarter.

Both would have burned the boat down (1 ft flames licking the liner) if I had 
not been there.

I have the fire blanket in case if there is an issue with the stove, such as an 
oil fire

Ahmet

 

 

 

On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 7:58 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

Any listers have a fire blanket onboard?

Ever had to use one or see one used?

Opinions?

Dennis C.

Touche' 35-1 #83

Mandeville, LA

 

 


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Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2016 19:34:04 -0400
From: Bill Coleman <colt...@verizon.net>
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Viola - Joe just gave me a reason to leave my CO2 bottle on the boat - 3 
reasons. ?1st, (what I got it for ) to blow a big ship horn, 2nd, to push my 
favorite craft beer , ( I may have to get a large cooler ), and 3rd, put out 
fires!


Bill Coleman?

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Date: 3/19/2016  4:26 PM  (GMT-05:00) 
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Subject: Re: Stus-List Fire blankets 

CO2 and halon are very nice ways to put out a fire without destroying the 
interior. CO2 extinguishers tend to be fairly big and halon is expensive 
now.??Joe Della barba...@dellabarba.com?CoquinaFrom: CnC-List 
[mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Sailnomad via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, March 18, 2016 8:39 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Sailnomad <sailno...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Fire blankets?have one. It is pretty big, about the size 
of a backpack.I had 2 fires in the past 2 years. Fortunately I was on-board in 
both, awake on one, woken up by the second.?
I did not use the fire blanket though.?Incidentally, first one was in the bilge 
due to a seized bilge pump, and the second one was a faulty charger on a high 
tech jumstarter.Both would have burned the boat down (1 ft flames licking the 
liner) if I had not been there.I have the fire blanket in case if there is an 
issue with the stove, such as an oil fireAhmet???On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 7:58 
PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:Any listers have a 
fire blanket onboard?Ever had to use one or see one used?Opinions?Dennis 
C.Touche' 35-1 #83Mandeville, LA??
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Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2016 21:30:05 -0400
From: "Rjcasciato" <rjcasci...@comcast.net>
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Subject: Re: Stus-List Rudder replacement
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Just a thought:

Does CompuKeels in Wisconsin still exist?????????

 

They will provide the keel templates for almost any boat???they did have all
the C&C?s but wanted more performance so they sent a set of drawings from
which to make the templates????long time ago and really not much money
then???.couple hundred dollars or so.

 

Takes the mystery of conversion to NACA forms?..

 

Best,

 

Ron Casciato 

 

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Sent: Friday, March 18, 2016 6:53 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
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Subject: Re: Stus-List Rudder replacement

 

Whoops, re-read Bruno's earlier email and realize we are talking the same
place.



Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C&C 35-III #11

On 2016-03-18 7:50 PM, Graham Collins via CnC-List wrote:

It is possible to do a DIY job to a NACA profile, it just takes some time to
plot the proper profiles out and use them as templates.  It was NOT a
trivial DIY job though, be sure of your abilities first.

As Ken mentioned, I did rebuild mine.  It was saturated, and cracked during
the winter.   When I pulled the skins off I was happy I'd decided to rebuild
as the welds holding the frame to the post were dramatically corroded.  I
had a new frame welded on, applied and shaped new foam, and put glass on
top.  Very happy with the result.  I kept the same outline shape (in case
anyone is thinking of turning me in to the PHRF folks...), but shaped it to
NACA foils.  It was not shaped like that before.  Very happy with the
results.

Within Canada there is also Competition Composites (AKA Phil's Foils) in
Ottawa.  They will re-use the post if you want and will CNC cut the profile
in the foam, so super accurate.



Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C&C 35-III #11

On 2016-03-18 4:46 PM, Bruno Lachance via CnC-List wrote:

Doing the research about replacement/repair and different profiles of
rudders i became quite obsessed with the importance of the design and
precision of the profile (ref. NACA profiles).
 
So a DIY job was quickly out of question. The boat is not a 40 kts foiler
but i do race the boat and wanted a nice rudder.
 
The small local yard quote was over 2500$ for a complete rebuild, that would
have been very ok, but still an eyeball job. At this point i decided to go
all the way crazy and give the job to the pros. Don't regret it, i almost
cried when i opened the box it was so beutiful!
 
There is a lot of good info on their website, even a video of the
fabrication process.
 
I have now a keel fairing job on my to do list, but not a priority at this
point.
 
Bruno Lachance
C&C 33mkII 87' B?cassine
New-Richmond, Qc
 


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Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2016 15:55:22 -0300
Subject: Re: Stus-List Rudder replacement
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Thanks for the info about your rudder replacement,Bruno. Good company to
keep in mind if I ever need to do mine.  Better to deal with a Canadian
company with our dollar being so low right now.

 

Mike Amirault

C&C33ii Lovely Cruise

SMSC St Margarets Bay, NS


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