Had rings in the shroud turnbuckles on my previous boat. Was awakened one night 
by a gentle whacking coming from a galley cabinet. A search discovered nothing. 

They next morning just before getting underway I noticed a lower shroud 
bouncing against the cabin side.  On the deck were the Clevis pin and its 
cotter ring.

I use cotter keys now. 

Dennis C.

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> On Oct 27, 2015, at 9:11 PM, David Knecht via CnC-List 
> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> 
> I saw a boat recently which had large cotter rings through the turnbuckles 
> instead of cotter pins.  This looked like a great idea to me as I sometimes 
> find it difficult to get bent cotter pins back out of the turnbuckles.  Any 
> down side of using rings instead of pins?  Dave
> 
> On Oct 27, 2015, at 8:07 PM, David Paine via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
> wrote:
> 
>>> Answers for Patrick:
>>> 
>>> > 3) 
>>> Is the exhaust hose looped up?  Yes but not enough.  Usually there is a 
>>> flapper valve on the exhaust but the reverse transom angle and the angled 
>>> cut of the exhaust make commercial ones unusable.
>>> 
>>> 4) Does your fuel tank vent line not have a check valve in it?  (1-way 
>>> valve to allow air egress but prevent water ingress)  Or was the check 
>>> valve not working? 
>> 
>> No check valve and in any case, a check valve allows flow of air or water in 
>> only one direction.  If it were put in correctly the fuel couldn't get out 
>> but displacement air and water could. 
>>> 
>>> 9) What do you mean by "wire" a turnbuckle?  Did your turnbuckles not have 
>>> cotter pins in them on the upper stays?  (Is running without pins actually 
>>> something people do??)
>> 
>> Heck yeah, who uses cotter pins?  I use stainless steel wire through the 
>> hole in both screws and through the body of the turnbuckle..  Cheap and 
>> easy. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 11:51 AM, <cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>> From: David Paine <paineda...@gmail.com>
>>>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>>>> Cc: 
>>>> Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2015 14:50:37 -0400
>>>> Subject: Stus-List Bermuda1-2 lessons learned
>>>> Hi All,
>>>> 
>>>> As I mentioned last spring as part of a question about life rafts, I had 
>>>> planned to sail  my C&C33-1  solo to Bermuda and back (double handed) in 
>>>> the Bermuda1-2 race.  I did,  It was fun, it was terrifying, it was 
>>>> expensive to prepare for, and it was frustrating as I did not do well 
>>>> (dfl) in my class in part because of the high winds and seas near the gulf 
>>>> stream probably favored the  HR49 and other heavyweights in my class but 
>>>> mostly because I was climbing a steep learning curve.   Of course, a 
>>>> C&C35-1 won the return and did well on the way there so (in my case) it's 
>>>> the sailor not the boat.  In preparation for the next one, I need to 
>>>> resolve a few issues with the boat and a lot with the skipper.  I was 
>>>> putting together a list that I thought I would share.
>>>> 
>>>> (1)  The autopilot has to be more than bullet proof.   I thought my below 
>>>> deck pilot was, but I was wrong, and as a result I found myself upside 
>>>> down in the cockpit locker and crawling deep underneath the cockpit floor 
>>>> in horrible conditions to tighten bolts that allowed the tiller arm to 
>>>> slip (no woodruff key or slot to put it in).  I lost a lot of time bobbing 
>>>> around with the sails down repairing the autopilot or sleeping.   The fix 
>>>> for this one is obvious but will require dismantling the quadrant and 
>>>> figuring out how to bolt the tiller arm to it.  Other issues with the 
>>>> autopilot were completely my own fault as I made changes to the 
>>>> electronics but did not have time to proof test the changes.  
>>>> 
>>>> (2) When a wave fills the cockpit and it gets flooded (and it did 
>>>> repeatedly) the engine instruments are going to get wet.  This is not good 
>>>> as the switches will (and did) fail, I am considering relocation or 
>>>> creating a waterproof cover.
>>>> 
>>>> (3) Following seas WILL drive water up the tailpipe and into the engine.  
>>>> As a result, I sailed into St Georges harbor and up to the customs dock 
>>>> then I spent a day in Bermuda sucking water out of the engine and drying 
>>>> it out enough to get it started.   For the return trip, I put a plug in 
>>>> the exhaust pipe but the plug was washed out in the "washing machine like 
>>>> conditions" and ... we got to sail the boat into the Newport Yacht Club 
>>>> dock at 3:00 am on no sleep.  Then spend another day pumping oily water 
>>>> out of the engine.  Yeah, slow learner.  
>>>> 
>>>> (4)  The fuel tank vent on my boat is high up on the starboard side but by 
>>>> the time I got to Bermuda, the tank had a quart of water in it (which I 
>>>> siphoned out).  Good filters (a racor) helped but I need to relocate the 
>>>> vent -- the question is where?  It may not be wise but on the return trip 
>>>> I wrapped the vent with tape (which, if I had run the engine I would have 
>>>> removed)   A better solution is needed.
>>>> 
>>>> (5)  Reefing has to be quick and easy -- I spent far too much time 
>>>> screwing up enough courage to go to the mast to reef and shake-out.  My 
>>>> current reefing system (probably original to the boat) has a winch on the 
>>>> boom which makes the first reef fine but I used all three reef points and 
>>>> releasing the last reef before pulling in the next in 35-40 kn of breeze 
>>>> is a nightmare.   I need to work on leading the lines to the cockpit.
>>>> 
>>>> (6) A removable inner forestay and a blade foresail might be nice.  My new 
>>>> furling 130 spent a lot of time furled 50% and that really has screwed up 
>>>> the shape of my formerly new and now blown out 130.
>>>> 
>>>> (7) The boat was reasonably dry inside (a result of hours of rebedding 
>>>> hardware) but somehow the mast collar leaked like a sieve.  The boot looks 
>>>> perfect so it has to be the where the Al collar (mast partners) meets the 
>>>> deck -- who would have thought that the one place I didn't rebed would be 
>>>> a problem!
>>>> 
>>>> (8) Hoisting a radar reflect on a flag halyard to the spreaders seems like 
>>>> a good idea until the line breaks and you lose both.  
>>>> 
>>>> (9) The one turnbuckle that I did not wire was the port diamond stay.  
>>>> Turns out the mast will stay up without this - whew!   It is extremely 
>>>> unnerving to see a piece of wire swinging around at night in a blow.  Wire 
>>>> everything. And use lock tight on critical bolts -- my solar panel broke 
>>>> loose as a result of a bolt getting unscrewed.
>>>> 
>>>> (10)  Fighting with a 10 foot long spinnaker pole to fly the spin gets 
>>>> really old. Luckily the wind only died down enough to fly the spinnaker at 
>>>> the end of the race but if the conditions had been more benign, I would 
>>>> have had to fly the spinnaker much more.   An assymetrical with a short 
>>>> prod would be nice (but probably outside my ability to rationalize the 
>>>> spending).
>>>> 
>>>> (11) Getting a decent weather (GRIB) file occasionally would have been 
>>>> really helpful.   I suppose I need to figure out how to do a SSB or Sat 
>>>> phone modem.
>>>> 
>>>> Tons more lessons learned but that's enough for now.
>>>> 
>>>> Best,
>>>> 
>>>> David
>> 
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