David, I agree that autopilot does not mean "sail blindly because the electronics are working". When sailing to a waypoint, its nice to know that it SHOULD be compensating for current, drift etc.
Joel On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 11:42 AM, David via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > To drill down a wee bit deeper vis a vis autopilots and interfaces. Call > me a Luddite, but I have never been a fan of plotters directly (or blindly) > feeding autopilots when there are strong variables (wind, current, etc) > involved. I like to be the interface so I know what is going on in case > all the electronics goes down. > > And they will. > > At the worst possible time. > > David F. Risch > 1980-40-2 > (401) 419-4650 (cell) > > > ------------------------------ > Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2015 11:30:34 -0400 > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject: Re: Stus-List Electronics upgrade > From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > CC: joel.aron...@gmail.com > > Fred, > > You gave the definitive answer! > > I agree you want data to be shared but the displays to work independently > of each other so if, for example, the radar display fails you can still get > data on the plotter etc. Also, the autopilot should be connected to the > plotter, especially if you sail in an area with strong currents. > > Joel > > On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 11:18 AM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > Not too many listers chiming in on this topic. Anyone? Is everyone else > out sailing? > > Fred Street -- Minneapolis > S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI > > > > On Aug 10, 2015, at 12:17 PM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > John — like most Furuno gear, I imagine the black-box radar is pretty > reliable. My concern is with the other gear needed to use it. If you’re > going to spend that much on buying and installing a system, you want it to > work when you need it. And that’s generally when conditions are bad; which > is also when the consumer stuff (laptop, iPad, etc) is going to fail. Then > your investment is worthless. > > Fred Street -- Minneapolis > S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI > > On Aug 9, 2015, at 9:07 PM, John Pennie via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > Any thoughts on the reliability of the Furuno unit itself? It's a bit of > an oddity but has been on the market for a while. Radar is not a critical > function to me (except when it is) but I view this more of an offshore tool > than anything else. Just my opinion which I'm sure most would disagree > with. > > > On August 9, 2015 at 4:47 PM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > > > Hi, John. No, you’re not crazy; just be careful with mixing and matching > equipment from different vendors. And as long as you’re putting in modern > electronics, there’s no reason I can think of to NOT integrate all of them > together; you get benefits like autopilot steering to wind angle or to > waypoints; and the ability to repeat GPS, wind, depth and other data out to > WiFi if you’re so equipped. And as far as not having a knot meter, that > means you lose the ability to correlate the GPS and boat data to determine > if you’re dealing with current set and drift, which can be very helpful. > > > Only you know what you’d really like to have; but I would at minimum do a > full instrument install, and my preference would be for the i70 Sail Pack > system if you’re looking at Raymarine. > > > If you go with the Furuno black box radar, you’re completely blind if your > iPad dies. I’m a fan of having dedicated marine electronics for functions > you consider critical; if radar falls into that category, I’d think twice > about that setup. > > > If the current B&G autopilot system works well, there’s no reason to > replace it; if it takes NMEA0183 data in, I’d definitely convert that from > NMEA2000 so it can talk with other gear as mentioned above. > > > If you’d like AIS receive only, consider putting in a VHF radio like the > Standard Horizon GX2200, which has separate AIS receivers built in, and can > pass that info on to other equipment. If you’d like to be seen as well, > there are a bunch of choices in AIS Class B transponders; I’d recommend one > after you nail down the rest of the equipment, so it plays well with > everything else. > > > And finally, chartplotters. I can see no reason to put in a Raymarine GPS > receiver just to give GPS to other gear. If you’re NOT going to do a > plotter (see notes about reliability of iPad and radar…), putting in an > AIS-enabled VHF can get you position data just as well. I’d suggest, > though, that you look at the new small MFDs that Simrad, B&G, Raymarine and > Garmin have out. Under $1000, and you can attach radar, AIS, instruments, > etc to get a fully marine-capable system that runs off your boat’s > batteries (no limited iPad battery life, which ALWAYS seems to fail when > you need it most…). > > > I’ll be interested to see what others recommend. > > > Fred Street -- Minneapolis > > S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI > > > On Aug 9, 2015, at 4:30 PM, John Pennie via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > > The basic electronics (b&g h1000 system) on Paws have been a challenge > since I first got her. Intermittent failures at the start of each season. > Now depth has failed and of all things it appears to be the transducer. > I'm debating modernizing. Please tell me if I'm crazy. A little > background: > > > Close hauled wind indicator is important to me (which I currently don't > have) > > The autopilot (B&G) is a thing of beauty and will be kept > > There are two Furuno chart plotters running older Navionics charts. > Frankly I use the iPad almost exclusively now (nobeltec ap and visual tides > being my preference) > > AIS is important to me sailing in NY harbor - also off an iPad ap but > would consider upgrading > > I couldn't care less about any interface between chart plotter and auto > pilot and/or wind > > The boat does have radar which is never used for our current sailing. > Offshore would be a different story and we do do plan another offshore run > (Bermuda/Caribbean, etc) > > > So here's what I'm thinking. > > > Ray i50/60/70 instruments as a stand alone installation > > Existing auto pilot remains as a stand alone unit > > Replace existing Furuno radar dome with the PC version with built in wi-if > (works with Nobeltec iPad ap) > > Perhaps add a wireless router > > Add new Ray GPS head for a multifunction display; use iPad GPS for chart > plotter through ap > > I wouldn't install a knot meter - Gps is fine > > > Any thoughts on the reliability of wifi offshore? I would think it's fine > but would love to hear opinions. > > > All of this could be done for about 4k less whatever I can sell the old > equipment for on eBay. Feel free to tell me I'm nuts. Keep in mind we do > have limited offshore runs in the future. > > > Opinions welcome > > > John > > > _______________________________________________ > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the > bottom of page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > > > > -- > Joel > 301 541 8551 > > _______________________________________________ Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including > unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the > bottom of page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > -- Joel 301 541 8551
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