Don't forget about the "Parking hook", otherwise known as an anchor. 
Doug MountjoysvPegasusLF38 just west of Ballard, WA.    


------ Original message------From: Marek Fluder via CnC-ListDate: Fri, May 15, 
2015 07:51To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com;Cc: Marek Fluder;Subject:Re: Stus-List Rig 
- crack -> termsDennis,
This made a laugh of the day for me.Do you have any more of those?Love this 
list!
MarekC320 in Hamilton
On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 8:50 AM, Dennis C. via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
wrote:
Russ,

So calling a halyard an "uppy downy" line and a sheet an "inny outy" line 
doesn't work?  :)

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 12:12 AM, Russ & Melody via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
Rob,  

I can understand your confusion with a term you are comfortable using asit was 
provided by a rigger you trust. My intention is not to belittleyou or anybody 
else but to point out to everybody when I see littlethings start to get outta 
place. My assumed role is to nudge them back togoodness again. 
You might have noticed I deleted all reference to you in my reply to-> terms.

But seriously... providing copy from a mega-store discount website is notthe 
best tactic to dissuade me.. This is precisely how terms get misusedand into 
the mainstream in the first place. 

If these guys used tie-bar instead of throughbolt & compression tubes(check the 
flange bushings for repair) :
http://www.rigrite.com/Spars/SparParts/Tangs-complete/Tangs-complete.htm

Or this British guy who is still using looped eyes and admonishing hispeers for 
worrying if an unshouldered mast band is even practical. Hereferences the late 
great Herreshof on the wonders ofthrough-bolting.
http://www.classicmarine.co.uk/articles/Gaffergear/lugs/Mastbands.PDF

Then I might call, "Uncle!"  

My references are mostly on paper, like a library, and include favouritessuch 
as Bruce Bingham, Bob Perry & Brion Toss. I'm slowly catching upon Ted Brewer's 
works since he moved to a nearby island.

I have a story with a trusted rigger to share. 
When replacing the gang on Sweet, we got the cap shrouds &forestay done (with 
Harken furler rehab) and set about to do the lowers.Oops, his stock didn't have 
the correct size. "No problem." hesays, "I'll upgrade you, up one size at no 
cost." 
"No thanks." says I, "When will the right size behere?" 

You see, a rigging wire too big is no better than a rigging wire toosmall and 
my trusted professional couldn't see that because he works fora living and in 
this case it probably would not have made any differenceand most customers 
would appreciate getting a more expensive product forthe same price even if it 
didn't do the job as well.
Humans are kinda funny in a way.

That's probably enough for now, unless someone wishes to get me startedon the 
oxymoron cutter-ketch.

        Cheers,Russ
        Sweet35 mk-1
        VancouverIsland


At 07:06 PM 14/05/2015, you wrote:
Russ:
I too like to use the appropriate nautical term.   When we putthe standing 
rigging together for the first time after purchasing theboat, we discovered the 
top 'aluminum 'through-bolt, 'stud' or 'tie bar'as the rigger from North Sails 
called it was approx. half worn through bythe wire from the main halyard. 

This yacht shop in the below website advertises what we are talking aboutas a 
'TIE BAR' and "threaded at 12mm at both ends"....pic isnot of a 'tie bar' 
obviously.

http://www.marinemegastore.com/product-TIE-BAR-UNI_533100.htm

And yes, we have the compression tube inside the mast .....we used theoriginal 
one with a new SS piece of metal, whatever it is called, to holdthe tangs 
together. 

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S 



On 2015-05-14 3:01 PM, Russ & Melody via CnC-List wrote:

A little term bitchin' here. 

The threaded thingy that goes inside the mast to hold the tangs tight isa 
called through-bolt (even though in most cases it is a stud) not atie-bar. And 
it goes inside a compression tube so it can be properlytightened without 
deflecting the mast sides towards each other. Thecompression tube was 
especially important in wooden masts to preventmovement and elongation of holes.

I may be pissin in the wind here and I concede most people use the termsalon 
instead of saloon, but I endeavour to preserve to use of as manyother old terms 
as I can.

        Cheers,Russ
        Sweet35 mk-1
        VancouverIsland


At 07:24 AM 14/05/2015, you wrote:
Mike et al:

....the most difficult one is getting the cap shroud in its tang and thenscrew 
the tang into the tie bar inside the mast.....the shroud and thetang have to 
rotate as one.  


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